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EP449: For Clinical Leaders, Payers, and Plan Sponsors, Let's Talk About Blind Spots for Getting Patients or Members Appropriate Care, With Marty Makary, MD, MPH
So, I had a chance to read Dr. Marty Makary's new book, which is called Blind Spots; and here's why I wanted to get him to come back on Relentless Health Value and talk to you, people of the healthcare industry. It's because of something that he said on page 127 and which I've been mulling over for probably years, actually.
It's this idea of what is appropriate care and how good are we at ensuring that patients/members get said appropriate care. Lots of people are of the same minds because appropriate care has come up in the show with Ben Schwartz, MD, MBA (EP434); John Lee, MD (EP438); Spencer Dorn, MD, MPH, MHA (EP446); Tom Lee, MD (EP445).
I mean, an estimated 21% of all medical care is potentially unnecessary. And unnecessary is, of course, one category of things that are not appropriate. This is according to a national survey of physicians: 25% of diagnostic tests, 22% of all medications, and 11% of all procedures are unnecessary/inappropriate. This is billions of wasted dollars doing stuff that shouldn't be done, and it's not appropriate care.
But think about this: How many visions for how to fix healthcare and how to reduce waste depend upon a broad-stroke assumption that we will materially ensure that patients are getting best-practice (ie, appropriate) care? That we cut down on over-medicalization and surgeries on the back end and add appropriate preventative stuff and optimal medical therapy to the front end?
Dr. Makary and I delve into the challenges of ensuring patients receive appropriate care, touching on medical dogma, financial, business, and legal incentives, and the importance of measuring practice patterns. Dr. Makary provides practical advice for clinical leaders, payers, and plan sponsors on promoting transparency, improving health literacy, and steering members towards higher performing providers.
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07:32 What is appropriate care?
10:19 Why what we think might be appropriate care might not be appropriate care.
10:34 Why is medical dogma damaging to appropriate care?
12:45 Why we need less absolutism in medical practice.
13:37 How is groupthink prevalent in medicine?
14:02 Why do we resist new ideas?
17:43 How do providers figure out what to believe and what not to believe?
20:59 "If you leave it to the medical profession to fix itself … so far, it's not going well."
22:33 How does supporting health literacy affect appropriate care?
30:23 "People need to find their care based on quality and price."
34:28 What proportion of medical care is deemed unnecessary right now?
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So, I had a chance to read Dr. Marty Makary's new book, which is called Blind Spots; and here's why I wanted to get him to come back on Relentless Health Value and talk to you, people of the healthcare industry. It's because of something that he said on page 127 and which I've been mulling over for probably years, actually.
It's this idea of what is appropriate care and how good are we at ensuring that patients/members get said appropriate care. Lots of people are of the same minds because appropriate care has come up in the show with Ben Schwartz, MD, MBA (EP434); John Lee, MD (EP438); Spencer Dorn, MD, MPH, MHA (EP446); Tom Lee, MD (EP445).
I mean, an estimated 21% of all medical care is potentially unnecessary. And unnecessary is, of course, one category of things that are not appropriate. This is according to a national survey of physicians: 25% of diagnostic tests, 22% of all medications, and 11% of all procedures are unnecessary/inappropriate. This is billions of wasted dollars doing stuff that shouldn't be done, and it's not appropriate care.
But think about this: How many visions for how to fix healthcare and how to reduce waste depend upon a broad-stroke assumption that we will materially ensure that patients are getting best-practice (ie, appropriate) care? That we cut down on over-medicalization and surgeries on the back end and add appropriate preventative stuff and optimal medical therapy to the front end?
Dr. Makary and I delve into the challenges of ensuring patients receive appropriate care, touching on medical dogma, financial, business, and legal incentives, and the importance of measuring practice patterns. Dr. Makary provides practical advice for clinical leaders, payers, and plan sponsors on promoting transparency, improving health literacy, and steering members towards higher performing providers.
=== LINKS === đź”— Show Notes with all mentioned links: https://cc-lnk.com/EP449
đź”— Healthcare Industry Acronyms and Terms https://relentlesshealthvalue.com/healthcare-acronymns
✉️ Enjoy this podcast? Subscribe to the free weekly newsletter: https://relentlesshealthvalue.com/join-the-relentless-tribe
đź«™ Support the podcast with a small donation to the Tip Jar: https://relentlesshealthvalue.com/join-the-relentless-tribe
đź“ş Subscribe to our YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/@RelentlessHealthValue
🎤 Listen on Apple Podcasts https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/feed/id892082003?ls=1
🎤 Listen on Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/6UjgzI7bScDrWvZEk2f46b
=== CONNECT WITH THE RHV TEAM === âś LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/company/relentless-health-value/ âś Threads https://www.threads.net/@relentlesshealthvalue/ âś Bluesky https://bsky.app/profile/relentleshealth.bsky.social âś X https://twitter.com/relentleshealth/
07:32 What is appropriate care?
10:19 Why what we think might be appropriate care might not be appropriate care.
10:34 Why is medical dogma damaging to appropriate care?
12:45 Why we need less absolutism in medical practice.
13:37 How is groupthink prevalent in medicine?
14:02 Why do we resist new ideas?
17:43 How do providers figure out what to believe and what not to believe?
20:59 "If you leave it to the medical profession to fix itself … so far, it's not going well."
22:33 How does supporting health literacy affect appropriate care?
30:23 "People need to find their care based on quality and price."
34:28 What proportion of medical care is deemed unnecessary right now?
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