Episode five focuses on the first two albums by Into Paradise - Under the Water (1990) and Churchtown (1991). Keith Cullen released Under the Water on Setanta Records and then the band subsequently made the jump to Ensign Records for its major label follow-up, Churchtown before returning once more to Setanta for two further albums. My conversation with Dave Long takes in: playing punk gigs in the Magnet bar with his first band Amuse; forming Backwards Into Paradise and recording various demos in Dublin; signing to Setanta Records; touring Europe with The Godfathers; signing a major record deal with Nigel Grainge’s Ensign Records; working with The Sound’s Adrian Borland; the writing of music journalist David Cavanagh; playing live with Into Paradise in the UK. We also chat about Moll & Zeis, Dave’s latest album with his old friend Shane O’Neill and we ruminate on the creative and artistic compulsion to continue to create new music regardless of its perceived success or popularity. Episode notes are here.