Keith and Tommy sit down with our good friend and the mastermind behind stoner rock mainstays Backwoods Payback, Mike Cummings. We discuss Backwoods Payback and how Mike managed to take the band from a self recorded demo to a nationally touring act. We also discuss Mike's solo work with MRC and the Souvenirs, Keith and Mike's band Crash of '64, Mike's work in his (and our) favorite band All Else Failed, their sold out tour of Europe, survival in the age of Corona, stuff we do to pass the time and more!