Keith and Nathaniel welcome Billy Werner to the show and we discuss how Nathaniel linked up with Saetia for a long term documentation project, some Saetia history, shows during the original run of the band vs. now, the supportive community that has formed around Saetia since their return, Billy and Saetia's history with the New York City venue ABC No Rio, charities that have been supported by the band through recent shows they have played, Saetia's recent gig at the Hollywood Palladium with Touche Amore and others, the making of 2025's "Tendrils" EP, what to expect from Saetia in the future, Billy's recent discovery and appreciation of the Grateful Dead, a run in with the law that made Billy realize it may be time to take a break from the DJ nightlife and more.