Live from the 2026 RSA Conference in San Francisco, Erick and Rich discuss the puzzling lack of interest in AI governance among MSPs and a go-giver lead generation concept proven to work by Erick himself. Then they’re joined by Jeff Loehr and Joe Rojas of MSP consultancy Start Grow Manage for a fun and fact-filled conversation about lead generation, sales meeting success, employee motivation, and operational efficiency. And finally, one last thing: You know spring has finally arrived when they’re burning socks in Annapolis. 

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Closing the AI Governance Gap
Start Grow Manage home page
Decades ago, a Maryland sailor burned his winter socks. Now it's a spring tradition 

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