Harry Jones and Tim Cocker link up in person at the Stormers Captains Run in Gqeberha, where a honest chat about clearing the air with defence coach Norman Laker leads into a close look at the squad’s energy before La Rochelle. From the rhythm and confidence in training to bigger questions about the URC race, European commitment and South Africa’s place in the Champions Cup, this episode blends on the ground access with sharp rugby insight and a few sideline laughs.