Moorpark College's Gary Wilson returns to the show! After a quick discussion about the start of another NEI "Growvember," Gary talks about the beginnings of the Animal Behavior Management Alliance, his wife Cindy's transition from leaving the animal field to becoming Moorpark's resident "monkey mama," and his thoughts on why anthromorphism doesn't have to be a bad word in animal training. 

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