This episode continues on "The Behaviors of..." series which dives into the people side of the animal care field. This episode, which is a continuation of episode 29, Dave O’Connell, Bearizona, discusses “The Behaviors of a Unified and Supportive Team”.  The biggest takeaway from the entire episode is that one of the most important behaviors of a supportive team is the ability to talk with another.  Through talking with one another we are able to create shared team goals, disagree in a productive and positive manner, give and receive growth minded feedback, and provide effective corrective feedback.  Dave discusses that the behaviors of effective feedback include being timely, being specific, and being kind.  Dave finishes off the learning by talking about the behaviors of creating supportive and growth-minded team culture. Stay tuned in for Dave’s  "Training Tale" about how the Bearizona team continues their learning journey through “Lunch and Learns”. For questions or suggestions about the podcast email ⁠[email protected]⁠ and to contact Dave email [email protected]

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• 4:50 Introduction to Dave O’Connell 

• 13:25 Creating shared goals 

• 20:50 How to disagree well? 

• 25:20 The behaviors of a team with a growth mindset 

• 29:30 Giving and receiving constructive, growth-based feedback 

• 41:20 Giving effective corrective feedback? 

• 47:25 Advice for approaching leadership with feedback and suggestions? 

• 55:15 The behaviors of a team with a unified and supportive culture

• 1:03:00 “Training Tales”

This episode Justin Garner, Busch Gardens Tampa Bay, provides some great learning on behavior chains and the process of chaining.  Justin starts by breaking down the process of chaining while giving practical application examples.  The discussion then dives into how a behavior chain works and dissects what it means for each behavior in the chain to serve as both a discriminative stimulus and a conditioned reinforcer.  Justin then explains the difference between backward and forward chaining and why it is recommended to utilize backward chaining.  The discussion ends with advice on preventing behavior chain breakdown and an explanation on the difference between shaping and chaining.  Stay tuned in for Justin’s  "Training Tale" about a team and a mob of macropods reaching new heights in training.  For questions or suggestions about the podcast email ⁠[email protected]⁠

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• 1:30 Upcoming ABMA offerings 

• 5:35 Definition and practical application of chaining and behavior chains

• 15:30 Backward chaining 

• 22:35 Forward chaining 

• 26:15 Recommendation to utilize backward chaining

• 31:15 Advice on preventing behavior chain breakdowns 

• 33:50 The difference between chaining and shaping 

• 38:50 “Training Tales” 

This episode wraps up (for now) the two episode arc discussing how changing conditions can change motivation with Wouter Stellaard, Behavior 360 and the Kuzo Group. Before listening to this episode, please take the time to listen to Part 1 of this topic which is episode 68 of the podcast.  This episode is a direct continuation of Episode 68 in which Wouter discusses a multitude of ways in which we can change conditions to change motivation without utilizing diet/weight management.  Wouter discusses strategies if you have come to “the last stop” and determined that the best decision is using food to change motivation. Topics covered include considerations on safety, non-food reinforcers, using all available resources, timing, specific situations, and the importance of record keeping and observations.  The episode ends on a reminder that behavior and learning itself is reinforcing and how we should be adding things, not removing them from animals’ lives and behavioral repitoires. Stay tuned in for Wouter’s inspiring “Training Tale” about training the next generation of animal care givers.    For questions or suggestions about the podcast email ⁠[email protected]⁠ and to contact Wouter email [email protected] or [email protected] 

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1:40 New ABMA Virtual Conference + Behavior Month Information

3:50 Short recap of Episode 68 - Part 1 

10:25 Shifting from Diet/Weight Management to Behavior Management 

14:05 Non-Food Reinforcers 

17:50 The Last Stop: Using Food to Change Motivation 

19:50 Timing of Sessions 

21:20 Considerations for Using Food to Change Motivation

24:35 Importance of Record Keeping and Observations 

26:15 Considerations About Safety 

28:50 Using All the Resources Available to Make the Most Informed Decisions 

33:50 Signs that Using Food is Detrimental 

39:45 Can the Animal Physically Accomplish the Behavior

41:35 Definition of Depreciation and its Practical Application  

44:50 Behavior and Learning are Reinforcing 

52:30 “Training Tale” 

This episode begins a two episode arc discussing how changing conditions can change motivation with Wouter Stellaard, Behavior 360 and the Kuzo Group. In this episode Wouter discusses the many, and not exclusive, ways in which we can change conditions to change motivation that do not involve diet management.  The episode begins by discussing motivation as a construct and a label and then breaking down motivating operations and setting events. Wouter educates on the many ways in which we can alter antecedents and the environment in order to effect motivation.  Additionally, Wouter encourages listeners to evaluate ourselves and our shaping plans.  Stay tuned in for Wouter’s “Training Tale” about getting into the weeds of training Calm Attentive Behaviors (CAB) with wolves at Bearizona.   For questions or suggestions about the podcast email ⁠[email protected]⁠ and to contact Wouter email [email protected] or [email protected] 

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Let's talk some training and banter about behavior! 

3:50 Introduction to Wouter Stellaard 

9:40 A jumping off point for a discussion 

11:35 Change from weight management mindset to behavior management mindset

15:10 Definition of Motivation

18:50 Motivation as a label 

22:55 Motivation and the Study of One in One Moment

26:20 Definition of Motivating Operations and Setting Events 

29:20 Relationship and Trust 

30:40 Variety of reinforcers 

31:10 Variety of asked behaviors, rate of reinforcement 

33:20 Shifting the mindset to what we can do and away from the animal isn’t motivated

37:10 Antecedents and changing the environment 

43:50 Evaluating ourselves 

49:55 Differential Outcome Effect

52:00 Competing Reinforcers 

56:30 Reevaluating our shaping plan

59:40 Low Motivation vs Reinforced Behavior 

1:03:50 Social Structure and Hierarchy 

1:13:50 “Training Tales” 

This episode Ari Bailey, Natural Encounters, Inc., discusses a topic that she will be presenting on at the IAATE Symposium titled “Get Out of the Way and Let Behavior Happen.”  The episode is a great conversation that focuses on recognizing when to fade out and when to implement specific tools such as baiting, prompts, target, etc.  Ari also gives advice on how to approach others with ideas on changing or trying something new in the training process.  The discussion finishes with Ari discussing how getting out of the way of the animal’s behavior can create more consistent and resilient behaviors and learners.   Stay tuned in for Ari’s very unique "Training Tale" about the origin story of a terminology for different sizes of peanuts.  For questions or suggestions about the podcast email ⁠[email protected]⁠ and to contact Ari email [email protected] ⁠

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• 4:30 Introduction to Ari Bailey 

• 12:55 “Get Out of the Way and Let the Behavior Happen” 

• 21:10 How to recognize that it’s time to move on from an approximation 

• 30:30 Using baiting, targets, prompts in the shaping process 

• 42:00 Advice on how to approach teammates with moving to the next approximation 

• 46:10 How to approach teammates about “testing” something new 

• 53:00 How does this correlate to consistent and resilient behaviors? 

• 1:02:05 “Training Tales” 

This episode Dr. Susan Friedman, Behavior Works, provides some great learning and insights into a multitude of current topics surrounding the science of behavior change.  Dr. Friedman starts with discussing the Hierarchy of Behavior Change Procedures; what it is, how we can view it to provide optimal welfare to animals, and also the importance of antecedent arrangement and the environment to behavior change.  She also breaks down what it means and looks like in practice when we strive for most positive, least intrusive, effective intervention.  Dr. Friedman then gives a summary on the free operant approach to enrichment.  She finishes the discussion by diving into the concept of control by honoring the no and shaping the yes.   Stay tuned in for Dr. Friedman’s very unique "Training Tale" about plant learning.  For questions or suggestions about the podcast email ⁠[email protected]⁠ and to contact Dr. Friedman email ⁠ [email protected] 

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• 5:10 Introduction to Dr. Susan Friedman and Behavior Works

• 19:25 Hierarchy of Behavior Change Procedures

• 27:00 Most Positive, Least Intrusive, Effective Intervention 

• 36:20 The importance of antecedent arrangement and the environment on behavior 

• 48:05 Free Operant approach to enrichment 

• 1:07:00 Honor the No, Shape the Yes

This episode, through daily live recordings, features a recap of the 2025 ABMA Annual Conference (April 27 - May 2 2025) hosted by Moody Gardens in Galveston, Texas, United States. Each day of the conference, one of the presenters for the day discusses their presentation and other learning that impacted them. 

Day 1: Marie Filipek, Zoo Tampa at Lowry Park

Day 2: Heidi Moomaw, Charles River Labs

Day 3: Benjamin Fainsod, Jerusalem Zoo

Day 4: Matthew Nguyen & Li Shan Tan, Resorts World Sentosa

If you are an ABMA member be sure to log in to Animalprofessional.com to watch most of the presentations and panels from the 2025 conference. For questions or suggestions about the podcast email [email protected]. Let's talk some training and banter about behavior!

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Let's talk some training and banter about behavior!

• 5:10 Discussion of Conference Day 1 with Marie Filipek, Zoo Tampa at Lowry Park.  

• 12:15 Discussion of Conference Day 2 with Heidi Moomaw, Charles River Labs

• 35:10 Discussion of Conference Day 3 with Benjamin Fainsod, Jerusalem Zoo

• 53:15 Discussion of Conference Day 4 with Matthew Nguyen & Li Shan Tan, Resorts World Sentosa

This episode was a live panel recording at the 2025 ABMA annual conference in Galveston Texas hosted by Moody Gardens.  The expert panel consisted of Tim Sullivan - Brookfield Zoo, Elly Neumann - Jerusalem Zoo, Nicki Boyd- San Diego Zoo, Anaka Nazareth - National Aquarium, and Chris Jenkins - Natural Encounters Inc.  The panel’s theme was “The Importance of Behavior in Modern Animal Care” with questions submitted in real time from the conference attendees. The panel discussed a wide range of topics ranging from the growth of the role behavior plays in welfare to the evolution and next steps in enrichment, to advice on getting buy-in for change. In the absence of a “Training Tale” for this episode, each of the panelists utilize their years of experience to provide their “Animal Behavior Advice”. For questions or suggestions about the podcast or to get in contact with the panelists email ⁠[email protected]⁠. Let's talk some training and banter about behavior!

This episode Steve Martin, President and CEO of Natural Encounters, Inc., discusses training on a continuum by moving away from coercion and towards genuine choice. Steve starts the episode by giving a review of the concepts of choice and… control with some practical examples.  The discussion then turns to breaking down behavioral degrees of freedom, genuine choice, and coercion with many more great practical examples. The episode ends with Steve outlining that real-world animal training requires us to train on the continuum but always striving towards providing genuine choice in order to enhance an animal’s welfare.  Stay tuned in for Steve’s motivation and emotional "Training Tale" about a trainer from a show at the Singapore Zoo.  For questions or suggestions about the podcast email ⁠[email protected]⁠ and to contact Steve email [email protected]⁠ Let's talk some training and banter about behavior!

• 3:45 Introduction to Steve Martin 

• 9:25 Review of Choice and… Control 

• 18:55 Degrees of Behavioral Freedom

• 28:20 Free Choice

• 30:35 Genuine Choice

• 44:05 Coercion 

• 56:15 Training on the Continuum

• 1:04:15 “Training Tales”

This episode Mel Paynter and Alyse Stitt, Georgia Aquarium, discuss motivation in the context of animal behavior and training.  In part 1 of this two episode discussion Mel and Alyse discuss what motivation is, what it looks like in practice, and give some o-fish-ally great examples from the many aquatic species that they work with in the Ocean Voyager habitat at the Georgia Aquarium.  They both dive deeper into breaking down and discussing some of the numerous stimuli and events that can affect motivation.   The discussion finishes with their advice on how to productively and effectively use motivation as a tool in our training toolbox and not as a label.  Stay tuned in for Mel and Alyse’s “Training Tales” that focus on how the fish they have worked with have taught them and changed their perspective. You can also learn more information about the 2025 ABMA annual conference by visiting www.abma.org For questions or suggestions about the podcast email ⁠[email protected]⁠ and to contact Mel and Alyse email [email protected] or [email protected] Let's talk some training and banter about behavior! 

3:25 Introduction to Mel Paynter and Alyse Stitt

8:15 Overview of Ocean Voyager habitat at Georgia Aquarium 

10:15 Definition of Motivation 

13:45 Definition of Motivating Operations 

Affects on Motivation: 

17:10 Food and Enrichment 

24:00 Breeding/Courtship 

34:00 Social Structure/Situations 

39:50 Environment

43:35 Weather/Seasonality

45:00 Learning History 

47:50 Animal’s physical ability to do something

48:50 Previous access to resources

50:35 Differences in motivation among individuals 

59:25 Advice for using motivation productively and effectively, not as a label

1:05:35 “Training Tales”