In this episode of Ben Kissel Politics, we explore the strange similarities between Bill Clinton and Donald Trump when they talk about immigration—proof that sometimes the political spectrum is just a circle. We also hear from cultural heavyweights George Carlin, Noam Chomsky, and Frank Zappa on why trusting those in power is a dangerous habit. And in the middle of all that cynicism, we talk about how to stay positive when America feels like it’s running on chaos, caffeine, and campaign slogans.

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