On this episode we have on artist, designer, consultant Jon Chase.
 
 We talked about his daughter getting into emo/hardcore music, going to shows with kids, going from a  corporate job to self employed, being burnt out, learning mediation rituals, realizing you’re not fun when you’re stressed, his midlife crisis moment, thrifting for books, our shared love of music, former music connections making his kids think he’s a cool dad and how he helps companies as a consultant. 

Also if you want to hook up Jon with some My Chemical Romance tickets this summer, it sounds like his daughter is eager to see them as many times as she can. 

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