Chris is joined by fellow podcaster and all around amazing Kiwi, Ryan Cartlidge, founder of Animal Training Academy! Ryan chats about how a desire for better work-life balance led to exploring non-zoo jobs beyond consulting, how a friend with a recording studio led to ATA's first online course, why it's important for people in the field to "keep their swords sharp," the joy of working with happiness engineers, and why you should thank people when they say "no."

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References from the show:

• Making Ripples by Animal Training Academy
• Rich Dad, Poor Dad by Robert Kiyosaki
• Reptelligence - Reptile Enrichment, Training, and Education