Allen Epley returns to the show and we discuss skiing, Line 6 Delay Pedals, the making of Shiner's 2020 LP "Schadenfreude", how the band learned to write together again after 15 years apart, playing 3rd guitar for Sunny Day Real Estate, Shiner's new LP "BELIEVEYOUME", the making of the record, navigating creative differences, Allen's post-Shiner band The Life and Times, his gear setup for the band, Allen's solo record "Everything", his band BirdHands, his podcast Third Gear Scratch and more.

Intro - 0:00 - 4:10