Keith sits down with Mark Boulanger of Massa Nera to discuss growing up in New Jersey, their history with independent music, the evolution of our music taste over years, classic screamo and metalcore vs. newer versions of it, how Mark met their bandmate Chris at a show and the subsequent formation of Massa Nera. We also discuss the history of Massa Nera, the band's creative process, the making of their latest LP "The Emptiness of All Things" which began as a commissioned work about climate change but evolved into something more, navigating creative differences, the declining state of affairs in our country, what's next for Massa Nera and more.

Intro - 0:00 - 4:54