Grace Lin and Alvina Ling talk about travel and explore the question of whether or not all travel is transformative or opens one's horizons? They discuss how living in a foreign country is more transformative than travel, and how reading can be more transformative than travel.

Then they talk about how scammers are using AI to send very personalized emails to trick authors. They talk about some other recent scams, including fake employment texts and other scam texts.

Then Alvina tells Grace about the book INVISIBLE PARADE by Leigh Bardugo and John Picacio. And, they end with what they're grateful for.

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