This episode dives into the cultural and personal narratives around productivity, storytelling, and the illusion of being “caught up.” Rebecca and Daniella explore the language we use—like “caught up,” “trappings of success,” and “by the book”—and unpack how these phrases reveal underlying systems of control and whiteness. They discuss the tension between wanting to create art and resisting the structures that commodify it, the permanence (and pressure) of publishing books versus the fluidity of online work, and the ways capitalism and cult-like systems shape our ideas of freedom and worth. Along the way, they connect these ideas to their personal experiences with writing, military culture, trauma, and storytelling as a tool for survival and resistance.

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You can read all about that story in my book, Uncultured-- buy signed copies here. https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured For more info on me: Patreon: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Cult book Clubs (Advanced AND Memoirs) Annual Membership: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Get an autographed copy of my book, Uncultured: https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured Get my book, Uncultured, from Bookshop.org: https://bit.ly/4g1Ufw8 Daniella’s Tiktok: https://bit.ly/4bwvNC0  Instagram:  https://bit.ly/4ePAOFK / daniellamyoung_  Unamerican video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/YTVideoBook Secret Practice video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/3ZswGY8 Fundraiser for Culting of America book publishing https://tr.ee/fldwYRFTJ 🔑 Key Takeaways

1. Language Reveals Systems – Everyday phrases like “caught up” or “leader of the free world” carry hidden hierarchies and illusions of control.

2. The Lie of Arrival – There’s no magical point of being “done” or “caught up”; progress is constant, and seeking finality often mirrors white supremacist ideals of control.

3. Books as Both Liberation & Trap – Publishing grants legitimacy but also fixes ideas in time, creating vulnerability for authors and reinforcing hierarchical systems.

4. Cults & Capitalism – Military structures, fundraising models, and even book publishing share cult-like qualities—offering belonging and legitimacy in exchange for control.

5. Storytelling as Power – Oral traditions and dynamic platforms like Patreon keep work fluid and resist commodification, in contrast to static, white-dominated literary norms.

6. The Discomfort of Truth – Good art and meaningful stories require discomfort; avoidance or dissociation (through books, entertainment, etc.) reflects systemic patterns.

Chapters

00:00 Language and Perception 03:44 The Illusion of Completion 06:52 Cultures of Control 09:32 The Weight of Expectations 12:41 The Art of Storytelling 15:29 The Dynamics of Authorship 18:35 Cultural Narratives and Their Impact 21:13 The Complexity of Identity 24:17 The Nature of Freedom 27:09 Reflections on Growth 31:29 The Power of Conversation and Community 33:11 Telling Our Stories: The Right to Speak 34:55 The Struggle for Validation in Storytelling 36:45 The Complexity of Author-Reader Relationships 39:17 The Role of Special Interests in Storytelling 41:10 Navigating Whiteness in Literature 42:19 The Emotional Impact of Listening vs. Reading 47:01 The Intersection of Race and Literature 49:47 The Dynamics of Trust in Healthcare 52:18 The Perception of Black Women in Professional Spaces 55:37 The Ethics of Subscription Models 59:46 The Stigma of Taking Leave and Seeking Help 01:02:41 The Influence of White Narratives on Storytelling 01:04:17 The Anxiety of Being Questioned as an Author 01:05:15 Navigating Conversations and Perspectives 01:10:46 Understanding Whiteness and Its Implications 01:16:13 The Role of Community in Healing 01:21:59 Confidence and the Power of Gathering 01:27:45 Cult Dynamics and Healthy Engagement

Produced by Haley Phillips