In a fascinating discussion with Dr. Jacob Howland about his book, Plato and the Talmud, we delve into his groundbreaking study. In it, he examines the relationship between Athens and Jerusalem through the lens of the Platonic dialogues and the Talmud. Dr. Howland argues that both of these texts share similar ideas about the role of inquiry and debate in religious life and a deep understanding of the limits of human comprehension of divine things. He dives into insightful interpretations of Plato’s Apology, Euthyphro, and tractate Ta'anit to uncover the tensions between reason and faith present in both Socrates and the Talmudic sages. Along the way, he examines Leo Strauss' view on the "esotericism" of the Talmud, Homer's Odyssey, the clash between the approaches of Honi HaMe'agel and Shimon ben Shetach, and the infamous aggadah of the Oven of Akhnai. Join us as Dr. Howland reveals the pedagogy behind these texts and how they engage their readers, seeking to convey the essence of Socratic philosophy and Rabbinic Judaism. Lastly, we talk about his work in improving academia and freeing it from the shackles of recency bias of progressive ideology. This conversation is a must-listen for anyone interested in philosophy and religion.