In the first Lekker Rugby Pod episode of 2025, Harry Jones and MW Welman delve into the Harry Index, a weekly ranking of the world's top rugby clubs. The Harry Index, created by Harry Jones, evaluates clubs based on a blend of subjective insights and objective metrics, providing a comprehensive view of the global rugby landscape. As South Africans continue to hold prominent positions both as players and coaches in these elite clubs, Harry and MW explore whether this widespread influence might come at a cost to the Springboks' World Cup aspirations.