In this week's Pipeliners Podcast episode, Russel Treat welcomes back cybersecurity expert Clint Bodungen to discuss the importance of IT & OT convergence to support risk management in pipeline operations. Listen to this episode to learn about how technology is enabling IT and OT to bridge gaps to manage risk, the differences between the cybersecurity needs for IT and OT, the role of CISOs providing executive level oversight for both IT and OT, and the role of compliance for both sides of the equation. Ultimately, listen for an epiphany about the root cause of the differences between the IT and OT sides that could help solve this issue for companies.