In this episode of the Pastor to Pioneer podcast, host Britton talks with Mike Wiggin, who shares his journey through pastoral ministry, church planting, and the evolution of his approach to disciple making. Mike discusses the challenges he faced in his early ministry, the dynamics of raising a family with young marriages, and the importance of simplicity in ministry. He emphasizes the need for a shift from traditional church models to a focus on making disciple makers, ultimately leading to the establishment of X2 networks and a new vision for ministry. In this conversation, Mike Wiggin discusses the evolution of church models, focusing on the emergence of micro churches and the challenges faced by traditional church structures. He emphasizes the importance of community, the need for a shift in paradigms, and the role of shepherds in sustaining movements. Mike also shares insights on church planting trends and offers advice for those looking to pioneer disciple-making movements, highlighting the necessity of listening to the Holy Spirit and innovating beyond traditional frameworks.