<p>John and Joe discuss ongoing conflicts in the Middle East. John unspools a brief history of American far-right extremism. Joe considers the political power of Taylor Swift.</p>

John and Joe discuss ongoing conflicts in the Middle East. John unspools a brief history of American far-right extremism. Joe considers the political power of Taylor Swift.

Episode 8

<p>Joe Klein and John Ellis on what's happening and what happens next. Joe Klein is the author of seven books and "Sanity Clause," a Substack newsletter. John Ellis is the founder and editor of two Substack newsletters — News Items and Political News Items. The two friends have covered American politics for a combined 95 years.</p>

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Joe Klein and John Ellis on what's happening and what happens next. Joe Klein is the author of seven books and "Sanity Clause," a Substack newsletter. John Ellis is the founder and editor of two Substack newsletters — News Items and Political News Items. The two friends have covered American politics for a combined 95 years.

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