How do we start with UFOs and end up feeling our feelings? Like this.

On this episode I welcome back the brilliant Nirmala Nataraj. Nirmala is a writer, artist, active dreamer, liminal walker. She is here for the (not-necessarily-just-external) transformation and sigh of ontological relief. She invites us to remember to breathe. Find her writings and weavings on substack at The Diving Bell Spider.

And, I go on a rant about the very (seeming) unsexy call to grow up. (This kind of thing is why people stopped inviting me to parties in high school.) I also unironically use the word "cooked" which I'm regretting, and read an excerpt from my in-the-works new book apokalypsis. Enjoy.

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