In episode three of season two, the guys interview Curtis Sergeant, leader of a ministry in Alabama—called MetaCamp—founded on making disciples and sending them out into their local communities, with special emphasis on small, simple churches.  Curtis lived in Asia as a missionary for several years, and when he returned to the United States was shocked to discover how much more difficult it was for the people he met here to take in and live out discipleship.  Throughout this episode, Curtis shares about his start in international discipleship and multiplication, and some of the primary hindrances he has seen for this work in the U.S.  The guys also discuss with Curtis issues of heresy, how to prevent it, and how to handle it when it does rear its head in the simple church context.