Carlos Ramirez has been involved in the hardcore scene for a veritable lifetime. You may know him from bands like BLACK ARMY JACKET, LAKOTA, HOPE COLLAPSE or DENY THE CROSS, but these days he runs NO ECHO, the best website for hardcore music on the internet. We had a great conversation about all the highs and lows of running NO ECHO and in doing so clocked the longest episode in GETTING IT OUT PODCAST history.

Music by:

City Of Industry - https://cityofindustry.bandcamp.com/

Peasant - https://peasant.bandcamp.com/

Piranha - https://piranha4.bandcamp.com/

Body Stacker - https://bodystacker.bandcamp.com/

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