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Today's guest is my friend Paul. He has been clean and sober for many years, and he tells us how he did it. A lot of Paul's story is about overcoming shame and judgment. He is an inspiration for anyone who has been spiritually abused or bullied. Somehow, he makes it all work and gives us some good tips for early recovery, particularly in the LGBTQ community. Click the links below for further reading. Feel free to email me with any questions: [email protected]
Shame:
https://brenebrown.com/podcast/brene-on-shame-and-accountability/
Full list of various other 12-step programs:
https://d.12step.org/directory-directory/categories/12-step-fellowship/?_page=1&num=20&sort=post_published
Mindfulness in recovery:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0306460312001335
God stats:
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2025/05/06/god-spirits-and-the-natural-world/
The Book of Joy:
https://www.amazon.com/Book-Joy-Lasting-Happiness-Changing/dp/0670070165
Vulnerability:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCvmsMzlF7o
Spiritual Abuse/Hell:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9729974/
12 traditions:
https://www.aa.org/the-twelve-traditions
Trauma from spiritual abuse:
https://therapist.com/trauma/religious-trauma/
Therapy and AA:
https://www.cornerstonehealingcenter.com/resource/the-importance-of-combining-the-12-steps-and-therapy/
Codependency:
https://mhanational.org/resources/co-dependency/
Child adversity:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9058108/
LGBTQ outcomes in 12-step programs:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11583376/
Buddhism in recovery:
https://www.jsatjournal.com/article/S2949-8759(22)00010-8/fulltext
Our guest today is author David Deane Haskell. A lot of people on this podcast want to remain anonymous, but David wants you to know who he is. You will hear about his journey through trauma, shame, addiction, and recovery. He has a new book out called Wounded Angels. You can contact him directly and ask as many questions as you'd like. His information is below. Feel free to reach out: [email protected]
David Deane Haskell:
https://daviddeanehaskell.com/
Wounded Angels:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DW7MWPLF?tag=bk00010a-20&th=1&psc=1&geniuslink=true
Substack:
https://innerchildjournal.substack.com/p/world-premiere-sneak-peak-inner-child
Internal Life Practice:
https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/177185.Integral_Life_Practice
The 3-2-1 Shadow Process:
https://www.drbren.com/blog/3-2-1-shadow-work-process
Co-Dependents Anonymous:
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/283530.Co_Dependents_Anonymous
Childhood Trauma and Addiction:
https://oldvineyardbhs.com/blog/connection-between-childhood-trauma-addiction/
Shame Attacks:
https://healingshame.com/articles/2017/12/19/managing-a-shame-attack
Family Scapegoat Abuse:
https://www.pacesconnection.com/blog/5-critical-things-to-know-about-family-scapegoating-abuse-fsa
Financial stress:
https://pas.duke.edu/concerns/emotional/stress/money-related-stress/
Internal Family Systems:
https://ifs-institute.com/
Music:
https://www.psychiatry.org/news-room/apa-blogs/power-of-music-in-mental-well-being
Meditation:
https://www.apa.org/topics/mindfulness/meditation
Beaches:
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/health/article/beach-ocean-mental-health-benefits
I moved! This is just a quick update about where I went and how that affects my practice as a counselor. Mostly everything is staying the same. I just wanted to give a few details. Click the links below for some further reading and feel free to email me with any questions: [email protected]
Avid Counseling:
https://www.avidcounselingservices.com/
Psychology Today profile:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/therapists/max-ariel-atlantic-city-nj/1695874
Caribbean 12 Step:
https://www.caribbean12step.org/
Evidence-based Practice:
https://www.ebsco.com/research-starters/health-and-medicine/evidence-based-practice-ebp
The Power of Faith:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3671693/
The Secular 12 steps:
https://aaagnostica.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Secular-12-Steps.pdf
Different Cultures and Addiction:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK248421/
Global Faith:
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2012/12/18/global-religious-landscape-exec/
Trauma:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK207191/
Vulnerability:
https://psychcentral.com/relationships/the-good-kind-of-vulnerability
Journaling:
https://www.reflection.app/blog/benefits-of-journaling
Eating Healthy:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7322666/
How It Works (AA Literature):
https://www.aa.org/sites/default/files/2021-11/en_bigbook_chapt5.pdf
Today we have a very sweet and gentle soul on the podcast. Autumn describes her rocky start to recovery and how she finally clicked into a powerful group that helped her to stay clean and sober four years now. She is very brave and humble and tells her story in an extremely relatable way. Click the links below for further reading and feel free to email me with any questions: [email protected]
Recovery Dharma:
https://recoverydharma.org/
Smart Recovery:
https://smartrecovery.org/
Gratitude:
https://www.uclahealth.org/news/article/health-benefits-gratitude
Mindfulness:
https://www.mindful.org/the-science-of-mindfulness/
Goals:
https://positivepsychology.com/benefits-goal-setting/
Journaling:
https://www.reflection.app/blog/benefits-of-journaling
Making amends:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/what-the-wild-things-are/202107/why-making-amends-is-so-important
Mentorship:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK552775/
Helping others:
https://mha.gbtesting.us/resources/help-others/
Yoga:
https://www.nccih.nih.gov/health/providers/digest/yoga-for-health-science
Trauma Informed:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/lifespan-perspectives/202111/what-does-it-mean-be-trauma-informed
Hate speech:
https://www.un.org/en/hate-speech/understanding-hate-speech/what-is-hate-speech
Today's guest is Hugh Taft Morales. He is the leader of the Philadelphia Ethical Society. I asked him to come on the show because I love the way he talks about helping people. You will see how ethics are so vital to the treatment of substance abuse disorders. Click the links below for further reading, and email me with any questions: [email protected]
Philadelphia Ethical Society:
https://phillyethics.org/
Baltimore Ethical Society:
https://bmorethical.org/
Felix Adler:
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Felix-Adler-American-educator
Basic Principles of Ethics:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7923912/
Freethinkers:
https://ffrf.org/uncategorized/what-is-a-freethinker/
Secular Humanism:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-secular-life/202002/what-is-secular-humanism
Reason:
https://www.britannica.com/topic/logic
Peer review:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4975196/
Ethics in counseling/therapy:
https://positivepsychology.com/counseling-ethics-code/
Religious Literacy:
https://bulletin.hds.harvard.edu/why-study-religion-in-the-twenty-first-century/
Support groups:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9508871/
Cirrhosis of the liver:
https://americanaddictioncenters.org/alcohol/rehab-treatment/cirrhosis-symptoms
What is a 501(c)(3):
https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/exemption-requirements-501c3-organizations
Science Denial:
https://www.psychologicalscience.org/observer/truth-lies-consequences-science-denial
How often people die from drug overdoses:
https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/nation-s-overdose-epidemic/every-5-minutes-person-dies-drug-overdose-must-end
Our guest today is Barbara. She has a lot of time clean and sober and has also gone on to become an addictions counselor. With many years now in the field, Barbara has lots to share about her career and her time going to meetings. Click the links below to read more about the various topics discussed in this interview. Feel free to email me with any questions: [email protected]
Codependency:
https://mhanational.org/resources/co-dependency/
Disease model of addiction:
https://www.hazeldenbettyford.org/research-studies/addiction-research/brain-disease-model
Exercising:
https://www.health.harvard.edu/topics/exercise-and-fitness
Reading:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5105607/
Gratitude:
https://www.uclahealth.org/news/article/health-benefits-gratitude
Mindfulness:
https://www.mindful.org/the-science-of-mindfulness/
Helping others:
https://www.mentalhealth.org.uk/explore-mental-health/kindness/kindness-matters-guide
Humans are social creatures:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2527715/
Ethics in counseling/therapy:
https://positivepsychology.com/counseling-ethics-code/
Quiet time/silent reflecting:
https://www.stemlynsblog.org/the-science-of-silence/
Post-acute withdrawal symptoms:
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/post-acute-withdrawal-syndrome#what-is-it
Friendship:
https://www.apa.org/monitor/2023/06/cover-story-science-friendship
Support groups:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9508871/
Commitments:
https://archives.joe.org/joe/2015august/tt4.php
Habits and routines:
https://www.healthline.com/health/the-science-of-habit#1
Today we have a very cool guest with a refreshingly positive outlook on going to rehab and making some changes. This young man has traveled from across the world to live in the USA and I feel grateful to hear his perspective on recovery. Click the links below to do some further reading on the topics discussed in the interview. Don't hesitate to reach out with any questions: [email protected]
Different cultures and addiction:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK248421/
Trying something new:
https://rightasrain.uwmedicine.org/well/health/try-something-new
Asking for help:
https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2022/09/asking-help-hard-people-want-help-realize
Vulnerability:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCvmsMzlF7o
Making amends:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/what-the-wild-things-are/202107/why-making-amends-is-so-important
Journaling:
https://www.reflection.app/blog/benefits-of-journaling
Helping others:
https://www.mentalhealth.org.uk/explore-mental-health/kindness/kindness-matters-guide
Atomic theory:
https://www.britannica.com/science/atomic-theory
Secular 12 steps:
https://aaagnostica.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Secular-12-Steps.pdf
Self-esteem and recovery:
https://www.rehab4addiction.co.uk/mental-health/connection-between-self-esteem-addiction
Gratitude:
https://positivepsychology.com/benefits-of-gratitude/
Discipline:
https://kellercenter.hankamer.baylor.edu/news/story/2022/insider-power-discipline
Goals:
https://positivepsychology.com/benefits-goal-setting/
Our guest today is a distinguished woman from Virginia who is so modest and humble that it was almost impossible for me to get her to talk about her interesting career as a clinical psychologist. She thinks of herself as a person in recovery first and she is always ready to help a newcomer. Click the links below to read more about the topics discussed in this interview. Email me with any questions: [email protected]
Jo Lynn's email: [email protected]
Clinical Psychology:
https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-clinical-psychology-2795000
Recovery Dharma:
https://recoverydharma.org/
Secular 12 steps:
https://aaagnostica.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Secular-12-Steps.pdf
Women’s support groups:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/angelachan/2024/01/31/overcoming-challenges-together-the-benefits-of-womens-support-groups/
Cognitive Behavioral Therapy:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3584580/
Friendship:
https://www.apa.org/monitor/2023/06/cover-story-science-friendship
Helping others:
https://mha.gbtesting.us/resources/help-others/
Plain Language AA Big Book:
https://onlineliterature.aa.org/Plain-Language-Big-Book
AA Big Book:
https://www.aa.org/the-big-book
Peer review:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4975196/
Reading:
https://nesslabs.com/benefits-of-reading
12 Step Facilitation Treatment:
https://www.recoveryanswers.org/resource/twelve-step-facilitation-tsf/
Bill Wilson quotes:
https://aaagnostica.org/2016/02/06/relevant-quotes-for-secular-aa/
Our guest today is a friend of mine who is in recovery and has a lot of great wisdom to share. He is cool, calm and collected. He agreed to do this interview for the podcast and we tried to act very serious and professional. Click the links below to do further reading on the topics discussed in this interview. Reach out to me if you have any questions: [email protected]
Walking in the woods:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6888434/#:~:text=similarly%20found%20that%20a%2090,associated%20with%20rumination%20%5B47%5D.
Quiet time/silent reflecting:
https://www.stemlynsblog.org/the-science-of-silence/
Habits and routines:
https://www.healthline.com/health/the-science-of-habit#1
Discipline:
https://kellercenter.hankamer.baylor.edu/news/story/2022/insider-power-discipline
Neuroscience and addiction:
https://nida.nih.gov/publications/drugs-brains-behavior-science-addiction/drugs-brain
Vulnerability:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/living-well-when-your-body-doesnt-cooperate/202305/embracing-vulnerability
Admitting you are wrong:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicolelipkin/2024/03/26/why-you-need-to-admit-your-mistakes-and-what-happens-when-you-dont/
Making amends:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/what-the-wild-things-are/202107/why-making-amends-is-so-important
Goals:
https://positivepsychology.com/benefits-goal-setting/
Helping others:
https://mha.gbtesting.us/resources/help-others/
Combining therapy with AA:
https://www.chaptersrecoverycenter.com/alcoholics-anonymous-and-therapy/#:~:text=Combining%20these%20two%20methods%20offers,chances%20of%20long%2Dterm%20success.
Today our guest is Claire. A veteran in the field of addiction counseling and recovery. You will hear a lot of good stuff in this interview. She has a ton of experience and she was kind enough to agree to this interview. Click the links below to do some further reading and reach out to me if you have any questions: [email protected]
Eating healthy:
https://www.uhc.com/news-articles/healthy-living/8-mind-body-benefits-of-eating-healthy
Exercising:
https://www.health.harvard.edu/topics/exercise-and-fitness
Bullying:
https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2015/05/bullying-research
Cognitive Behavioral Therapy:
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/what-is-cognitive-behavioral-therapy-202406053047
Gratitude:
https://www.uclahealth.org/news/article/health-benefits-gratitude
Women’s support groups:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/angelachan/2024/01/31/overcoming-challenges-together-the-benefits-of-womens-support-groups/
Alcoholism/Addiction in families:
https://dmh.lacounty.gov/our-services/employment-education/education/alcohol-abuse-faq/family-history/#:~:text=Many%20scientific%20studies%2C%20including%20research,population%20to%20develop%20alcohol%20problems.
Ethics in counseling/therapy:
https://counseling.education.wm.edu/blog/ethics-in-counseling#:~:text=Client%20welfare%20is%20at%20the,for%20their%20clients%20when%20necessary.
Dual Diagnosis:
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/24426-dual-diagnosis
Combining therapy with AA:
https://www.cornerstonehealingcenter.com/resource/the-importance-of-combining-the-12-steps-and-therapy/
Women discussing trauma from abuse:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0740547219305811
Positive affirmations in the mirror:
https://www.centreofexcellence.com/what-is-mirror-work/
From the publisher's feed
A podcast where we explore the science behind getting clean and sober, and why there may be a need for more inclusivity in the 12-step programs. Hosted by a certified addictions counselor who also…
Each episode will feature an interview with someone who is either in recovery or an expert in the field. We will explain how the classic 12-step recommendations can be understood in less scary terms. Also, we will discuss why certain therapeutic interventions are suggested and how they can be supported with research and evidence. There will be links to articles, studies, and research papers, making every claim easy to fact-check and read about.
With so many spiritual and faith-based systems, we wanted to provide a safe space for people who are more evidence-minded or perhaps even have trauma from religion or spiritual abuse. We believe that recovery is possible for everyone, regardless of what you believe. And we can demonstrate that even the most stubborn, pedantic, agnostic, or atheist people can still find a way to achieve the self-reflection necessary for recovery.
So join us and listen to some interesting stories from people all over the world battling their alcoholism and addiction one day at a time. Have fun clicking the links to make sure that we aren't just making it all up as we go. We invite any questions in the name of discussion, goodwill, and recovery. If you are like us, you will need evidence to believe anything we say, and that's perfectly ok. Whatever helps a person who suffers.
Any questions, please email Max Ariel: [email protected]
Special thanks to the folks at Grammer for helping with the artwork and for helping us say what we wanted to say: https://grammercreative.com/