Lauren is joined by Carl, a juror in the latest trial of Lori Vallow Daybell to discuss why he thought she was innocent, and the texts that changed everything for him.

About Hidden True Crime:

What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling.

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