Seeing life underwater isn't something we all get the pleasure of being able to do, yet for this week's Guest, underwater photographer & cameraman Jack Perks, it's just another day at the office.

How did Jack fall in love with life in rivers & ponds, what's the most annoying fish to try & film & how can we get more excited about this environment we rarely encounter. Jack tells me blue space, is just as important as green space.

Jack is also a fellow podcaster, running & hosting The Bearded Tit's Podcast, we briefly speak podcaster to podcaster about how the show came about & where he hopes it will go.

If you'd like to keep up to date with the projects & work Jack is working on, you can do so on @jackperksphoto on Twitter & on @fishtwitcher on Instagram.

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Into The Wild is your weekly wildlife, nature & conservation podcast, bringing you chat from professionals about a huge variety of wild topics.

This episode is sponsored by Leica Sport Optics.