On today's Contending for the Word show, Dave is joined by Jac Marino Chen and they discuss the Jac's experience in the occult and practicing ritual magic, how Christians should think about Hollywood, "Christian" witches, approaching your pastor about questionable doctrine and practice, and much more on this new Contending for the Word show. What You'll Hear on This Episode • Help for young people on not masking their pain with worldly activities but to seek truth in God's Word. • Jac's experience in the occult and practicing ritual magic. • The difference between the occult and the New Age. • Some distinguishing marks of the occult and the New Age. • The concern with the "normalizing" of "Christian" witches and witchcraft in our culture. • How to approach your Pastor about questionable doctrine and practice. • When to know and how to leave your local church about questionable doctrine and practice. About Today's Guest Jac Marine Chen comes from a past of sexual abuse, drug and alcohol addiction, the new age, the occult, and eventually practicing ritual magic in a Freemason lodge as a member of an occult order. It was there that Jesus Christ saved her, revealed to her the darkness she was in, delivered her, and made her new. Subscribe to Contend for the Word wherever you find podcasts: Website: https://servantsofgrace.org/contending-for-the-word/ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contending-for-the-word/id1704686636?mt=2&ls=1 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/02aGgEF6NGt2dkmWH57jTQ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/servantsofgrace Thank you for listening or watching this episode of Contending for the Word.