More than fame, Saad Hashmani wants to be understood.

In this week’s podcast, the Pakistani-American businessman opens up about the illness that changed his life, the trap of online fame, and why he walks out of award shows but shows up at funerals.

We talk power, ego, influencer silence on Palestine, and how Pakistan is losing the war of narratives to India. Saad breaks down toxic motivation culture, the politics of money, and what he’d do as a “dictator” to fix the youth.

He weighs in on the establishment, Shahid Anwar, and what it really means to have influence in today’s Pakistan.

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