Ruth Ben-Ghiat is America’s foremost historian when it comes to studying the rise of autocracy and the loss of democracy. She and Ken Harbaugh discuss the role of oligarchs and corruption in fueling Donald Trump’s autocratic takeover. She also weighs in on the need for pro-democracy forces to ensure that those using the government to commit crimes understand that accountability will one day come. Ruth refers to this as the reckoning – and it may be one of our most powerful deterrents in this moment of danger.

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