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Hey, loves. Welcome to a very special presentation of the Fearlessly Fertile Podcast. Can your gut fuck with your fertility? A conversation with your friendly neighborhood? Colorectal surgeon, Dr. Anna Toker, MD Love’s.
I invited Dr. Toker onto this podcast because we’ve all heard here and there that your gut can impact your fertility. But I thought it would be awesome to have somebody who literally looks at people’s guts and has done so for over 30 years. Weigh in on what she thinks about this idea, and I think you’re gonna love this conversation.
And Dr. Toker iss going to be sharing the number one thing that you can do immediately to up your gut health. And it may surprise you. And, and when I did it, whoa. Whoa. So if you’re serious about getting and staying pregnant, and you are ultimately serious about living long enough to enjoy this baby and this life you’re creating, listen in to this full episode.
You’ll be so glad that you did. Here’s my conversation with Dr. Anna Toker. Dr. Anna Toker, I am so excited that we are having this conversation. I have been following you for a while now, and the minute I saw your video on what was in the surgeon’s lounge, the staff lounge at the hospital, I’m like, I freaking love this woman.
I need to get her onto the Fearlessly Fertile Podcast to talk about all things, gut health, fertility, all of that goodness. So I’m really stoked about having this conversation with you. So why don’t you start us off with sharing a little bit about what’s your specialty, how you found yourself there, and we’ll start there.
Okay, now I’ll try to be brief ’cause this is a semi long story, but, so I am a board certified colorectal surgeon and, and those of us who do this for a living, you’re actually double board certified in general surgery and colorectal surgery. And what that means is that I’m a surgeon who has sub-specialized in digestive health, for lack of better words, the lower part of the intestinal tract.
Okay. So it’s an odd way to make a living. And I have to be honest, when I first started medical school, I already had a master’s degree in microbiology and I was going to get a PhD and I kind of decided that’s not really my personality. And I had a little bit of a conflict with a professor. Not important.
And so I wound up, look, I’m just gonna go to medical school, forget the MD PhD. It’s cool. I wanted to be a surgeon ’cause that is just my personality, right? I’d like, I wanna fix something. I don’t like the concept of just stringing people along with prescriptions and keeping them sick. Let’s be honest, Metformin is not curing your diabetes and it’s just kinda helping you control it.
So that’s not my thing. I wanna be able to fix something and move on. And I just have a surgeon’s personality. And when I was a chief surgery resident, my husband had just left the Army and had just been accepted to medical school. And I’ll never forget this. It was one o’clock in the morning. It’s trauma victim gunshot wounds everywhere.
Rights, big emergency surgery. I am pregnant. I can’t, this is 22, 23 years ago. I can’t tell anybody I’m pregnant. It was 2002, I guess. I can’t tell you when I’m pregnant, I’m gonna be fired. This is the surgery residency program that had me on direct observed therapy with my birth control pills to make sure I didn’t get pregnant.
Right. That was the. Oh, so a hundred percent. Are you kidding? Oh, hell yeah. So it was interesting, as most women these days think they’re so oppressed. Oh, give me a break. Right? So, but anyway, as it turns out, birth control pills don’t work well when you’re on antibiotics, so, so I got some cold, took antibiotics, got pregnant, whatever.
Look, my daughter is perfect. But anyway, so here I am, I’m pregnant. Can’t tell anybody. I am the chief resident. So I feel like at some point in time, they’re clearly gonna find out this baby is due in June and the graduation for me is June. So I’m gonna look really chunky here, probably in a few months.
And so, but, and I’m still kind of in that nauseated phase and I don’t know how to tell anybody, and only my husband and my parents kind of knew, right? Okay. Gunshot wound, middle of the night. Steven is in medical school in Houston. He wants to be an anesthesiologist. And I am in Dallas finishing up my residency program in the, an, the anesthesiologist is like some 65-year-old dude and the attending who’s helping me again, 65-year-old dude.
And I’m thinking to myself, now, wait a minute, in, in eight months, nine months, when I graduate, that’s gonna be me with a baby and a husband who’s gonna be the, an like, where is this a child fall? And like, who’s watching my child? Right? And I had this existential response like, who is going to watch my child?
And I never once thought about it because I was pursuing an intellectual curiosity. And it, and of course we always wanted children and for us, like, you know, you get married, you have two children, and all this kind of stuff. And it never really occurred to me how that rubber was gonna meet the road.
Until that moment when I was pregnant. And so at that time, fortunately for me, I had always had good grades. I was being recruited actually to become a plastic surgeon. The plastic surgeons wanted me to, to do a fellowship and whatnot, and that’s still trauma in the middle of the night, you know, and I, I didn’t think I’d be very good judge at boob size, like I couldn’t do plastic surgery.
So I started looking around for possible specialties and and transplants. That’s middle of the night vascular surgery. That’s middle of the night trauma, obviously, middle of the night. The only guy I never saw after five o’clock was our colorectal surgeon. It was the only guy, and it was a nice enough fellow.
I never stepped foot in his clinic. I only helped him in the operating room. He was a good surgeon, talented surgeons. The patients loved him. So I thought, you know what, I’ll be a colorectal surgeon, and right there in Houston. At Methodist Hospital, there’s a associated program, so I practice out in Methodist Hospital.
When I was in Houston. The program officially belongs to University of Texas and is simply the attendings start at University of Texas. Then they moved to Methodist and you know, the, the buildings are attached, right? So they just kept the UT moniker. My husband was a medical student at ut and so it just seemed natural.
I will do a colorectal fellowship in, in, at ut in, in Houston. And when I got, so I have the baby early, of course, I was under so much stress when they found out I was pregnant. They made me take call basically every other night to get as much call out of me as humanly possible. And so I developed this preeclampsia thing that there wasn’t enough amniotic fluid.
I had to get a liter of IV fluid every morning at four o’clock in the morning before my day started to make sure there was enough fluid in there so the baby could develop her lungs. And, and, and she was born seven weeks early anyway. And she’s perfect, by the way. She’s amazingly perfect. The kid is like literally from God, angel, perfect.
But they told me she would never survive. You know, you should consider terminating your pregnancy, all kinds of stuff. And I was like, there’s just no way. I knew in my heart there was no way. So, okay. I now have a baby. I’ve graduated. I’ve gotten through all that. I was sick. I almost, my, I almost died. I was just, it was horrible.
Okay, so, so, okay. So I show up in Houston and it’s the very first day, July 1st, 2003. Okay. And it’s clinic. It’s clinic day. All right. So I show up, it’s in clinic. Do you have any idea what a colorectal surgeon does during clinic? Mm-hmm.
Probably look at people’s butts.
Yeah. So I don’t, I might have chose a different specialty.
If they put a little more anal emphasis in the title. It’s all assholes, like all day long. It’s like literal. Oh my God. I, it was too much. So I go home. I was just, I was horrified. And I go home and I tell my husband, I was like, I have made a huge mistake. I’ve made an enormous mistake because I can’t, I, I can’t defile people like this all day long.
You know? It’s just, it’s not in my personality and I can’t do it. And, and Steven’s like, okay, Anna grabbed the baby. I was like, grab the baby. And that, of course, you know, if you’re a mom that makes you feel better, I got the baby. He goes, are you feeling better? I’m like, I am feeling better. You’re right.
This is why I decision made the decision. He goes, no, no, gimme the baby back. I was like, okay. He goes, all right, now you are a board certified surgeon. You’ve got Methodist Hospital, you’ve got Herman Hospital, you’ve got, what’s the other ones? They, El Lipski, I guess is right there. Is that, what’s
the
name of that?
Yeah. St.
Luke’s and, uh,
yeah, they’re St. Luke’s. There’s like the whole center. They all have emergency rooms. They all have general surgeons on call. Go take call. Be a general surgeon. I don’t need you to be a colorectal surgeon. And I thought, no, wait, no, no, no. I remember that event I had nine months ago where like I was freaking out.
He goes, okay, so you made the right decision. Just go back tomorrow. And the next day was like the best operating room day I ever had. We did some of the coolest shit. If you don’t know anything about the medical center area of Houston, I mean people fly from all over the world and Methodist Hospital in particular.
So it is just fascinating pathology and it’s like the top doctors and like really cool high tech stuff. Like this is why I became a surgeon and I thought, okay. I’m just gonna have to get over myself and every other day is just gonna be miserable. And then I’ll have good days, I will have good days, and then I will have bad days.
But it has allowed me to raise my children and, and as it turns out, because I am a microbiologist by training, it has truly helped, especially as time has gone on and it becomes much more important for the average doctor to understand normal microbiology and the microbiome. It’s just naturally put me in.
I mean, God puts you in the right place at the right time and just that seems to have been what happened to me. I started recognizing. A few years into my practice, the patients were getting heavier and they were getting sicker. A lot more diabetes at a younger age, cancer at a younger age. And, and it seemed abnormal to me at this point.
I’d gone through medical school and seven years worth of residency and fellowship training, three or four years of my own practice. And, and now all of a sudden all this seemed becoming more and more prevalent. And then probably in 2009 or 2010, I began to notice an association between people with IBS belly discomfort and their intake of bread.
And it was, I was not doing a lot of literature searches at the time. I had two young children. I was running a practice. Did they have Google in 2010? Surely they did. I, I, I don’t remember.
Probably some form of it,
some form of it, but I didn’t have an iPhone. You know, it wasn’t carrying around a high powered computer in my pocket all day long.
It, uh, it wasn’t something like, oh, I don’t know the answer to that. I think I’ll just Google it. You know, there was none of that, that the National Library of Medicine was not online, not to an easy way to access it anyway, so I didn’t really do a lot of my own research. This is me observing things in my patients.
And then when you have an opportunity, when you’re on call, go down to the library and just sort of look things up. And as it turns out, 80% of patients truly gluten sensitive. They’re gluten sensitive. This doesn’t, it doesn’t mean that they’re celiac, that’s a different disease, but 80% of people are gluten sensitive.
And so the first step, and I think you and I were talking about this before you hit the record button, but the first step anyone should do, no matter what their problem is, whether it’s you can’t sleep. You can’t focus you, your, your clients are, are looking to start their own families. I was older when I started my family, and so I get it.
I’m glad I, I had an inadvertent antibiotic event, to be honest with you, because by the time we had our second child, I don’t think I would’ve ever been able to have a third. So had I not started when I did, I don’t think I’d have been able to have my family. I would be where your clients are, you know, wondering what do I need to do to make myself healthier?
And the first step is gluten-free, to be honest with you, that’s gluten-free.
Yes. Okay.
Yes. Hearted it. Yeah.
Yeah. Well, and I wanna stop you just for one second, we’ll go back to this gluten-free thing, is I really hope that the women listening to this took from your story that you made a conscious decision about how you wanted to live.
Sure.
And that’s such a massive like gold star for Dr. Toker because a lot of women. And I mean, including myself. I’m Gen X, just like you. Like
yes.
We bought this idea, hook, line, and sinker that, and we had to choose between a career and a family.
Right.
And what you did, which I think is so whether it was intentional presence of mind, whatever the case may be, you chose something that would allow you to have the benefit of both.
Yep,
both.
I have a supported husband too, so that was the other thing. I met my husband later in life and he already knew that I was in medical school when we met, and so he was always supportive of the quote unquote career. So I’d never really felt like I had to choose between the love of my life and the love of my brain.
It was like never really a choice because he was always supportive. But having said that. Now in, now as an older person, when I tell my daughter who’s 21, in retrospect, I should have spent more time actually focusing on him and the children. So for all the, the things that I did, like you, I mean, Jen asked, Lord, you know, we drank from the host.
You know what I’m saying? Like, we’re, we’re just, we’re that last generation that was just like, to hell with it, the combination of old school and technology, right? So I, I did make a conscious career decision. Oftentimes I did not work the longer hours. I did not work the extra shifts. I don’t take volunteer ER call because I do wanna be home with my family.
Having said that, patients have free access to call me 24 hours a day, 365 days out of the year for the last 30 years. We recently took a vacation. It was the first seven days where my phone was off ever since the man had ever met me, you know? And so it’s hard to. Kind of connect with family and kids. Yes, I am watching the football game, but yes, I’m being consulted by the emergency room.
Am I really present? So on the one hand, I made good decisions, and on the other hand, I probably could have done better. And I do warn my daughter. I tell her that honestly, the single most privileged group of people happen to be women who are educated. And it is simply because we don’t have to pay the bills.
We never feel compelled to pay the bills for our family. But every man, no matter what his background is, it’s their genetic gumption. They feel like they have to do so. So the men are driven very different. We’re driven on an intellectual standpoint. I can say no if I wanted to, but, but men feel like they could never say no.
My husband didn’t get to see the plays and the concerts, and he didn’t go to a lot of the games. I brought them to school, you know, and I met them at baseball games, not Steven. And he misses that. Right? So I feel sorry for him, and I feel like maybe I could have spent given him a little bit more of my own attention.
We’re doing that now, now that the kids are gone, right? So I’m totally changing my life. The last two years I have completely decided to change. But my professional attitude as you know what? You get me when you get me, and if I’m booked, I’m booked. What am I gonna tell you? I, I can’t be there for everybody.
I, you know what though? I think that’s, that’s. Real emotional maturity and professional maturity. Age.
Yeah. It’s
age. Yeah. I think it’s both of those things. So, but I just wanted to point that out because I think that’s a message that, you know, because my audience are lovably type a control, freaky professionals, IANS lawyers, teachers, you name it.
Yes.
You know, I think we need to hear that.
Yeah.
From other very accomplished women. Yes. That it’s okay. To make those choices and that
yes,
we don’t, it’s well, yeah. And that we don’t need to live by a masculine standard of achievement in
order. No, you live in a man’s world, like my daughter is a music producer, and, and there are no women music producers.
She lives living in a man’s world and, and I, and I tell her as someone who’s spent her whole life in a man’s world, number one, though a man will never actually understand your drive towards your own children. They can make fun of you for showing up late. Who cares? You’re the one who got to bring your kids to school and to listen to them talk in the back of the seat is irreplaceable.
You do not need your coworkers to think anything more of you. You also don’t need to make the same amount of money. So for all the paid disparity, oh, men get paid more. Yeah, they, they will work the extra shift. I’m not doing that shit. I wanna be home with my kids, let them make more money. I don’t care. I do want to retire by the time I’m 60.
I don’t know if I’ll get there, but I’m hoping I do want my children to be well educated and they both are. So it, I own my home mission accomplished, right? So now it’s focused on the hubby. Can we retire and still travel in our retirement? Me doing online sort of outreach allows me to. Share say sage wisdom, you know, like once you kind of been in the trenches, Sage wisdom needs to come out and educate people.
If, if I can parlay that into, you know, side pocket money, mailbox money, so I can retire early, that’d be fantastic. And if I can’t, that’s fine. It is a mission that I happen to be on is talking to people like you and new and different audiences and just to remind people you really, you can make be healthy again.
It just takes a lot more effort than I think it, it used to. That’s all. I mean, that’s something like my main message.
Yeah. Well let’s, so let’s bring that full circle then, because you started to say the number one thing, gluten-free and that
Yeah.
I wish.
Shocking, isn’t it? You didn’t wanna believe it, did you? And when someone first told you that, did you act like someone was just murdering your baby? And you’re like, there’s no possible way. I’ve been eating bread my whole life. It can’t possibly be bread, right?
Bingo,
duh. Everyone. I’m telling you, everybody, everybody has the same, everybody.
Everybody has the same response. And a lot of them won’t listen to me, won’t listen to me, won’t listen to me, and then one day they do and they’re like, holy shit. She was right. I don’t mean to be right. This is just the science. I mean, it is published in the literature. I didn’t make it up. So there you
go.
So why are we not hearing this more often? Because like, well people like to politicize this as well, right? They’ll hear, oh well, you know, you, you’ve, you know, gone crazy if you’re being so picky about your food. And it’s like, well, wait a minute. When you figure out what they’re spraying wheat with.
Thank you.
So I’ll tell. Okay. And I’ll, I, I was one of these people. Okay. I have to tell you, I I, I grew up in New Orleans, so I’m a very social friendly person. I don’t consider myself some rabid right wing conspiracist, which they will call me because I say, go gluten free. Really join the
club. Join the club. I mean, anyone,
you know, I voted for Ross Perot.
Did you, are you one of the Ross Perot voters? I am. You know, I was like one of these libertarian type people because I grew up in a really liberal city. You know, like anything goes. So from a social standpoint, like I’m pretty. Loose goosey, liberal. I don’t really live and let live, like I don’t care about any of that kind of stuff.
I don’t like paying lots of taxes and not seeing the benefit. Like when I’m driving down a road and there’s a hole in the road, I, if you wanna call me a right wing conspiracist, ’cause there’s a hole in my road that I paid to be fixed and it’s not fixed, then I guess you can do that. Okay. And I used to think when they would.
They would talk about, it’s, I considered it hippie dippy stuff, organic food. To me as a chemist, anything that’s carbon based is organic. I mean, my body is organically made, you know, I didn’t recognize, ’cause I think the hippies, the, and I used to always say this, I, I probably do not agree with the hippies on tax structure or politics, but they’re right about their food.
And I’ve always said they’re wrong about their failure to shave and bathe, but they are right about the food because most hippies of the time were eating like, you know, they had their own communal farms. Like, dig it. That’s right. Okay. And I always, they didn’t brand their organic well. ’cause you, you saw organic and you saw hippie.
I think if I could go back in time, I would find that group of people and I would say don’t put a hippie as your spokesperson. Put a mom with two children as a spokesperson and then all of a sudden everyone’s going to pay attention. ’cause every person recognizes you want your child to be healthy. And so I was one of these organic sm Organic who cares is was literally my thought, probably until 2009, 2010.
And when I started recognizing that people were ill, I. You can run, you can do and, and this is easy to do. Now you can Google search autism, Google search, a timeline, incidents of autism over time, incidents of obesity over time. Incidents of a DD over time, incidents of diabetes over time, incidents of inflammatory disease, autoimmune disease over time, every single one of those curves looks identical.
You can stack ’em on top of each other. It’s the same curve. And it all seems to start in the late seventies, early eighties. And so what happened? So, okay, fine, let’s go, let’s go down the history trail, like what happened, right? So in the early seventies, we began to use, and this is a huge mistake, um, this is where environmentalists started screwing everything up.
We started using food as fuel When they started using ethanol to subsidize cars, farmers now made more money to grow corn than they did almost any other crop. And so now we got tons and tons and tons and tons of corn, and no one knows what to do with it. It goes rotting in the silos. And so, okay, oh, we could use corn syrup instead of sugar.
So now you got corn syrup in front of instead of sugar. All right, well just compound all of these things on top of each other. They replaced butter with margin. They replaced sugar with corn syrup. They replaced sugar with artificial sweeteners. Then inter Monsanto, well, hell, you’re a lawyer. I don’t know what kind of lawyer you were, but I mean, the Monsanto thing ought to get everyone upset.
Those are the creators of Roundup and, and Roundup is really just Agent Orange. It’s a very effective herbicide. Yeah. It’s a per, it’s a persistent chemical agent. And when, when Monsanto company genetically engineered soy to withstand Roundup. That was sort of where things, all those curves start doing one of those things.
They’re saying, there are towns in Iowa where it just rains glyphosate out of the sky. There’s so much glyphosate being sprayed everywhere that, and it’s a persistent agent, it’s in the groundwater and I just, I don’t know how we get rid of it. And, and so enter Robert F. Kennedy. I mean Kennedy is the one who sued the Monsanto company on behalf.
He was part of that legal lawsuit. And in fact, his first meeting as the Secretary of Health and Human Services was at Monsanto. So it’s like that daddy’s home and thankfully I, you know, I probably. Don’t agree with a single political thing RFK Jr. Has ever fought for. I would think with the exception of the food thing, you know, I’m sure he’s a, he’s probably a hippie dippy liberal, and that’s not me, but, but he’s right about the food, dammit.
And that doesn’t make him crazy. And it doesn’t make him a conspiracy theorist. And God knows he’s not a right wing fanatic.
Yeah.
He just wants to be healthy,
you
know. Well,
and isn’t it scary though, that any conversation that we have about health has to be politicized? I mean, I think
it shouldn’t be, I’m so taken aback by that.
Like, why are we having, why is this a political conversation? Yeah. All of us are biologic creatures. It does not matter who you are. If you’re human, human, it doesn’t matter what the outside rapper looks like, the inside of us are all the same, and the chemicals will respond to us in all the same ways. And, you know, our children are really under severe assault.
It’s, it, it, people used to care about this in a non-political way. And what’s fascinating to me that you’ll see people who right now are, it’s very left wing, very vocally, left wing Hollywood type people where 10 years ago, they’re rallying against the childhood vaccine schedule. And now they can’t admit that they didn’t want their kids vaccinated because of politics.
Wow. I think
we can all agree a newborn infant is not at risk for hepatitis. They don’t need a hepatitis vaccine. We can all agree to that. It doesn’t make me a hippie, it doesn’t make me a right wing radical. I’m not a conspiracy theorist and I’m not even anti-vaccine. But all those labels have popped onto us in the last five to 10 years and it really, it is a tragedy.
It is a tragedy of the American experiment that that has happened. Yeah. I, I dunno if we can turn it back. I’m hoping, you know, we’ll see. Well
it’s certainly a way to keep people out of thinking and into being super emotional and not really looking at the issues and really, you know, because when I think about this audience, I mean, when you’re a woman who is over 35.
Trying every treatment, diet, lotion, potion, and yoga posts, spirit, heat, baby reading, bless all of this stuff to make this happen. Yes. And then you get to a point where people are telling you you’re crazy. Well, we don’t have a diagnosis for you other than you’re old. They’re not talking about things like microbiome, which you know, as you’re going into like it’s controlling everything.
Everything. It controls everything. And this is okay, if I were to write a conspiracy novel, okay, my conspiracy novel to be the evil genius who takes over the world would be to destroy everyone’s microbiome. So now that they’re anxious, little can’t think on their own, can’t come up with a sound decision on their own accord because they have a destroyed microbiome, they would be unhealthy.
They would be psychologically unhealthy. They wouldn’t be rested. And that is an easy way to control the population. And when you look around you that this is exactly what’s happening. And, and people will post videos, you know, and this is their dinner. And you’re looking at what they’re eat. They’re acting neuro neurologically, like on sound.
Like they’re down, they’re anxious, they’re crazy. And they, and I’m looking at what they’re eating. I’m like, can you see there’s an associa? They’re trying to kill you. I, the, there’s the association. They know if you just drop dead today, they get charged with murder. But if they’re gonna murder off your microbiome, it’s, that’s an untraceable crime.
Yeah. They’re getting you to do it on purpose. They’re asking you to put antimicrobials in everything for the fear of germs. Fearing germs is a human. Emotion is very easy to sell. Clean, clean, clean. You want clean. And so we lather down our homes in antimicrobial everything, and our poor children are growing up with no bacterial reference point.
That’s injury number one to their immune systems and injury number one, to their microbiology. Wow. Kids need to roll around in the dirt. They need to be licked in the face by the dog. They just, they do. Yes. They need to wash their hands. I get that. But, but having said that, you, if you, it start the microbiome damage starts very, very young.
It’s the reason I am against these childhood vaccines because I’m a hundred percent convinced that they interact with the microbiome. And I believe that we will find that is the case.
Well, you know, it’s interesting. Dr. Ryan Cole, you may be familiar with him. I remember I was in Idaho, so he’s a board certified pathologist.
Oh, okay. Yeah.
Was talking about microbiome back in 2020 and everyone thought he was freaking crazy.
Yes.
And I mean, and so it’s fascinating to me that it’s just now kind of getting, you know, more and more people are paying attention, but
Yes.
So, so let’s go back to, okay. So take gluten out.
Yes.
Like gluten Go be gone.
Like glu. Yeah.
Gluten be gone.
Gluten be
gone. This is like, you know. It’s like being a drug addict. Okay? You, you can’t be sober if you drink a beer from time to time. Do you get what I’m saying? Right. So it’s people, my patients will come and tell me, well, I’m mostly gluten-free. No, and I can, if you want to know the science, why gluten is bad, I’m happy to give you the five minute rundown on that.
But it doesn’t, you can’t intermittently cheat and have it work. It has to be outta your system for a good three to six months before you can even consider doing sourdough that has less gluten in it. You know what I’m saying? So, yeah. And if you want me to run it down for the audience, I’m happy to do that.
Why? That’s, well,
you know what I’m curious about, what is it about the three to six months? Because actually I, my, our own family functional medicine physician was telling me that because obviously the Houston area, oil and gas people coming from all over the world, he says people from outside the United States will come here and he can time it to the day
hundred percent
for when they start to get sick.
And he says it’s usually six months. And it’s because of the gluten.
Yes. And, and so the microbiome. I’ll give this sort of answer or explanation in two parts. So the microbiome is, is trillions and trillions of different types of organisms. We don’t even know all the names. You can’t take one probiotic organism and sort of expect some miracle in your GI tract.
Right? And there are a lot of probiotic companies that wanna sell a $200 a month probiotic to balance the, that’s not how it works. But you’re trying to balance tens of thousands of different types of organisms in a little community. Adding one extra one, not exactly gonna do it for you, okay? So you don’t need to spend a lot of money.
That’s the main reason people don’t talk about the microbiome. But it is a slow. Moving item, right? So think of it as a little garden that grows. And some of your plants will want full sunlight. Some of ’em want shade, and some of ’em wanna be a little dry, and some of ’em won, want extra water, and some of ’em want this pH and some of ’em want that pH, and that’s like your garden.
And most women kind of have a garden, or think of a zoo. You know, the lions have their meal, the gazelle’s have their meal, right? And if you are eating the same exact same thing every single day, every single day, you’re really only feeding gazelle’s or feeding lions. You’re not feeding them both at one point in time.
If there’s only one food on the menu, then only one type of organism in your GI tract is gonna thrive. You know, the problem is that we all have is that highly processed food is high in sugar and fat and seed oils, and the population that loves those things are also the population that help give us serotonin, dopamine, et cetera.
So you get a really nice neurologic pop when you eat processed food, and so that’s coming from your microbiome. When you’re craving the donut, you are not actually craving the donut. You are not mentally weak because you crave the donut. This is your microbiome wanting the donut, and it is sending every signal known to man to tell your brain, look, if you eat the donut, we will give you the dopamine that you want.
All right. No one has to know if you break the donut, there’s no longer calories. Okay? Just eat the donut. So that’s what’s going on. Okay? So the microbiome, and it takes a while before the microbiome gets outta shift, and for you now to be held hostage by this microbiome, but because the microbiome is giving you things like neurotransmitters.
People who have anxiety, people who have depression, people who are schizophrenic, they all have dysfunctional microbiome. Autism, a, DD, you can actually fix those diseases by correcting the microbiome.
Hmm.
In, in Europe, they are doing fecal transplantation. Exactly. For that purpose. In America, they’re not, you cannot get, oh hell no.
We need to sell you an SSRI. There’s no way in hell we’re gonna let you do a fecal transplant and cure yourself. No way you can cure schizophrenia with a fecal transplant. Right. So they don’t want you to know that. So that’s the first thing. So the microbiome is complex. It’s slow moving. The only thing that changes it rapidly is gonna be an A toxin.
Okay. When it comes to gluten, one of the problems, again, because processed foods, it almost all is wheat based. Hmm. Gluten has a inflammatory response in everyone that leads to a molecule called zonulin. Zonulin is an inflammatory molecule that looks exactly like cholera toxin. Patients who have celiac disease will have a cholera response to gluten.
Now, we don’t really understand why that happens, and I’m not a hundred percent sure physiologically like W why did God make us that way? You know, this is not a mistake. It’s that way on purpose. These molecules like gluten are considered what we call antinutrients. Like it’s a protein, but it’s not a protein that you can digest, that you can use.
It causes GI distress in animals to increase intestinal speed. And so they think the reason for these lectin type proteins that that do this to your body is so that the animal eating it might consume a seed, not chew it all the way, poop it out. Now you got a seed sitting in the middle of fertilizer in the middle of the field.
Right? So this is, I like, you know, I’m trying to think like a scientist, like why would a food that is supposed to be good for you cause this response in someone? So that’s the baseline response. People with celiac disease have that in spades. People who don’t have celiac disease still have that, but it’s a really low amount.
It’s a low amount in the modern diet. There’s bread or some flour product. 24 7. Look at any snack. Uh, the hospital, the snacks we give the patients, they, they’re all breaded, they’re all crackers, bread, pasta. It’s all, it’s 24 7, so now you’re getting gluten 24 7. All right? Modern gluten is grown in the presence of lots of fertilizer and, and in the presence of all that fertilizer, that actually increases the amount of gluten present in the little wheat kernels.
Now, the old fashioned way of growing wheat, you would cut the wheat. You have to let it dry in the sun. Now that’s slow. That takes too much time. We’re America’s, we don’t have time for that, so we spray it with chemicals. When you let wheat sun dry like they do in Europe. A lot of that gluten actually breaks down is no longer present, which is why European baked goods tend to not bother you.
Not only are they not sprayed with glyphosate, but they are not sprayed to be dried. So the, there’s less gluten in the actual flour that they milk American flour. It’s green gluten, it’s spray dried and instantly milled, which means it’s got the maximum amount of lectins and inflammatory gluten. And now that is what’s being put in everything.
And God forbid they’re coming up with a GMO wheat that they can spray with an herbicide, right? So it’s like we don’t learn. No one ever pays the consequences. And, and they have a political lobby. The second you say you’ll get banned from wherever you’re posting this right now, because of the statement I just made.
Sorry. But it’s just like they have a political lobby. They control the social media and you’ll get, they, they don’t want people to know. They don’t want you to know a real answer. They don’t want you to think that God puts you on this planet with everything you need. They want you to think you have to go to the store and buy a drug, or you’re not gonna be healthy.
You
know what’s, you know what’s crazy? I just saw a post today that Yahoo News was running, trying to say that people with home farms are, you know, creating this bigger carbon footprint than, and, and it’s like, that’s the danger, that’s the real problem, is people growing food for themselves. It’s the, it’s the, I can’t even believe that people even take this stuff seriously anymore.
Well, you can’t take it seriously because do you know what the food for a plant is? It’s carbon dioxide. That’s the return of this statement. Like, if there was no carbon dioxide in the air, we would not have oxygen because plants give us oxygen. Because of carbon dioxide. It’s funny. And
there’s not even enough carbon right now.
Right.
Dr.
Choker, I was just reading something the other day that was saying our levels of carbon in, in our atmosphere aren’t even like, it’s not even great for plants.
No,
it’s not enough.
It’s not enough. It’s
not too much. You,
correct. Right. And it’s the other issue I saw about the methane. I did a a little video on the methane thing.
Cows fart methane. All right. It’s co methane is a carbon based molecule. It actually gets stored in the soil as a reserve. It’s a carbon reserve. So if you will think of the world, the planet, as like a little scientific experiment, you gotta save some for later. There’s always a need to save some for later.
Carbon dioxide is stored in the water. It dissolves into water and is locked in place. And when the temperatures outside are elevated. Carbon bubbles out of the water and increases carbon in the atmosphere. When the atmosphere cools, carbon goes back into the water. So water is a heat sink basically for carbon dioxide.
Earth land is a sink for methane. Okay, so it, and it’s a, it’s a cyclical thing. It’s a biofeedback loop on the macro. And so telling you that you cannot have a fireplace at night because of the carbon dioxide is a laughable statement. Put three plants around that fireplace problem solved. Giving someone extra money for your plane ticket to offset your carbon only gives money to the airline department.
This does not plant a tree. If you wanna do something every time you fly to Europe or you go visit your parents in five states over plant something that will offset your carbon, don’t you worry about carbon? That’s not something for you to worry about. I saw an article, now it You’re a lawyer. Tell me what to think about this counselor.
I saw an article, the surgeons, the American College of Surgeons published this and I almost wanted to vomit. Same day colon resection. They want you to have a massive colon resection and be sent home. Why? Because it would save carbon dioxide. Yeah. Now you’re gonna die at home because no one’s watching you.
But other than that, as long as you didn’t burn all that CO2, you’ll be fine. That
is Coke.
It’s nuts. It’s nuts. I specialize in robotic surgery. I do try to get patients home as soon as I possibly can, but. When something bad happens, it happens instantly. Immediately. And a patient would die if they were at home.
If it happened and it happens one to 2% of the time.
Wow. That,
you know, so like
bonkers. That’s bonkers.
That’s bonker. I like there’s, and what’s fascinating is the paper did not at all. Address. Address. How many of those patients had a complication at home and had to come right back to the emergency room?
Wow. How many of those people had a serious complication and even died that even they didn’t discuss it
well? How much
it does even matter?
Are they putting in the air, having to go back and forth? That just makes this whole thing crazy.
Yes, right. Stupid. Oh my God. Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid. But this is the world we’re living in, and so we’re being poisoned, and then we’re being lied to, and then they’re trying to make you feel guilty.
But just so you know, this conversation, I am breathing out carbon dioxide and the plant in the corner over there is saying, thank God, right? Because if I weren’t in here doing it, that poor plant would be starving to death. Do you know what I’m saying?
My plant waiting for me right there. Just keep flapping your gums, Roseanne.
Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, but think about this. It’s like. When you think of the problem, like when you think like a woman, like it just drives me bananas. ’cause they, they could never find anything technically wrong with me.
Yes.
According to, you know, medicine, why I wasn’t conceiving, they were so quick to blame my age.
Yep. Yeah. They
were so quick. I mean, I remember going to my REI and saying, Hey, could my stress have something to do with this? Hundred
percent? Yes.
Yeah. I’m like, I was trying rape cases, child molest cases as a prosecutor working 80 hours a week and there’s, they said, no, the data doesn’t show that stress has anything to do with
this.
Crazy.
And even though instinctively I’m like, that doesn’t seem right. But I didn’t go to medical school, so maybe I don’t know any, you know, I don’t know anything about this, but it’s like what you’re sharing here, that the microbiome is control, you know, the mind and body are working together. In fact, it’s going like this all the time.
Yeah, there’s actually, and very specifically, there’s something called the gut fertility axis.
What Share more.
Yeah. So the microbiome is responsible for a couple of different things from a hormonal standpoint. For women in particular, it’s called the esra below. It’s the group of bacteria in the GI tract that helps your body process estrogen.
So there’s a balance between estrogen and progesterone. And, and estrogen can’t be in too high of an amount in your body. And if it is, that will affect your fertility, you’ll become estrogen dominant. That’s what polycystic ovarian disease is. And so too much estrogen will convert peripherally to testosterone.
And, and we don’t you, it’s a fine balance. You gotta have progesterone and estrogen and just right little balance, and your body can do that. And it uses the microbiome to do this. A dysfunctional microbiome means you’ll have too much estrogen in your body first of all. The second issue is under stress in particular, when you are under stress, that directly negatively impacts the microbiome.
And the most sensitive aspect of it is going to be this estrogen metabolism aspect of the microbiome. So people know for a fact, your clients are not crazy ’cause they can’t have a baby. The same thing that is causing their anxiety is also affecting their fertility. Right? So that’s what I’m trying to say.
Like they’re having anxiety and whatnot and then of course doesn’t help when. How is it that someone who’s 20 can have seven pregnancies and don’t care about this baby? And here I am 45 years old and I haven’t had a child yet. Right. I get it. I mean, I know so many people like that. Other surgeons, one of my employees is in this exact situation.
And then you start feeling the stress of that. That only makes things worse. Then it gives you the anxiety, then you have all the guilt and all this kind of stuff, and none of that is necessary or required. You know, it, it is just a lot of the difficulties. Will come straight down to when you’re under stress is when the problem is.
And it’s like that old wives tale that the second you stop worrying about whether or not you’re going to get pregnant, that’s when the baby comes.
I just, you know, I, I tell women this in so many different ways. Dr. Toker mm-hmm. That like, but they’re so conditioned and trained to think that I’m gonna pop a pill and I’m gonna be fine.
And it’s like, look, you can’t out treat out surgery, out diet. What’s going on in your mind?
A hundred percent. Yeah. And I think this is like the big PSYOPs that I, unfortunately, and many doctors have fallen prey to this, the way we’re trained as physicians is something called allopathic medicine, which means the end of every single evaluation has to involve.
Somehow a prescriptive intervention. Now, where I was trained at LSU, that prescriptive intervention was often diet because our patients didn’t have the money for insurance or drugs. So we did a lot of dietary manipulation, but people are trained to believe you got a headache, you take an ibuprofen, you got this problem, you take that problem, you got, if you wanted to lose weight, you just need to take this supplement and, and you’re not having this problem because you’re missing a supplement.
You know, there’s, there’s some other issue and it really starts with inflammation of the GI tract and, and that inflammation, the number one inflammatory molecule is gluten. So kind of like to circle back. Can, did I complete the circle? Okay. So to
circle,
so to complete the circle, the number one stimulant of inflammation in the intestinal tract, which causes leaky gut.
Is gluten and this zonulin interaction, it causes a trans, now it’s transient, so the second you stop taking the gluten, the zonulin stops and the cells can heal. The problem is if you’ve got enough inflammation, you have to wait for your body to churn through all these inflammatory factors. I mean, think about a surgery that you might have had.
How long did it take before? Really, it didn’t hurt so bad. It’s at least six weeks, if not eight or 12. And it’s just because when you’re really inflamed, it just takes a while for the inflammation to come out of it, which is why I think you need to be gluten free for a good three months make that gives you, from a surgeon standpoint, three months into it.
Most of, I mean, I would say 90% of the inflammation in any wound is gone by three months. And so three months is the answer. If you, if you’re brave and go six, that’s awesome. Once you realize you don’t need wheat, like there are, I’m not telling you to cut calories, we eat potatoes with every single meal.
You know, we’ve been gluten-free for a very long time because my daughter has all kinds of IVS stuff. Why? Because she’s a 21-year-old girl, you know, getting assaulted by her diet and her surrounding. She used to be an anxiety mess. She has a DD, she was on all these medicines and, and she had almost a nervous breakdown in college and it took a, I.
Between a semester break, we took her off all of her medicines. She was on, you know, a DD medicine and anxiety to medicine and depression medicine and like the list of medicines were crazy and she was starting to have psychotic problems. As a result. Precious angel, we stopped all the medicines. We did a microbiome test, which showed her where her imbalances were.
It suggested very specific dietary add to-dos and very specific dietary avoids. She did that for three to six months. She was mostly better. We repeated the test one more time. She made those adjustments. Kids. Perfect.
You know, it blows my mind, Dr. Toker, that people are not like, you know, I just did a whole bunch of that testing myself and it blew me away.
Yeah.
I did the Nutri eval, GI 360, the Vibrant Health.
Sure.
Like, and I was like, holy shit.
Yeah.
You know, you get this, what, 200 pages of reports or whatever?
It’s a lot. It’s, it’s the ones, like when I first started looking into microbiome testing, the company that does, the ones that you just talked about sent me like the thing.
I’m like, how am I going to take this 300 pages and give that to an individual and, and teach them anything?
Executive summary,
right? So, well, that’s why there’s a company that I use, it’s called Viome, V-I-O-M-E.
Ooh, okay,
cool. It’s, it’s online. It costs $200. If you use my name when you check out it, they’ll actually give you $110 discount.
Ladies, pay attention to that. And then, and we will, we’ll drop that in the, in the show notes too, Dr. To, because
Yeah. Yeah. When you so biome, they, they offer a number of different tests. Some people will get the full body, it’s genetic testing plus the microbiome, but, but just the microbiome test alone is really a lot of what you need.
And when you check out, if you put in Dr T-O-K-E-R. $110 off the testing.
Oh, it’s worth every dime.
Oh my God. Yeah, because if you went to a practitioner, it would be thousands and thousands of dollars.
Yeah. They’re paid like 1200 bucks. Remind, I should have come to Dr. Toker like,
and I have nothing to do with it.
It’s like, like they will send you an app, they’ll ask you all kinds of very personal questions in every organ system imaginable. And then, and then they review, you gotta poop and send your poop off. Okay. So then they review and they’ll send you back a list of do not eat the following 10 things or whatever.
Eat tons of the following 20 things and then you can eat whatever you want to of this. Like this is irrelevant, this stuff, but none of this, A lot of that. And interestingly. Everything you love is going to be in the don’t eat category. Why? ’cause you are a person of habit, and that’s what you eat all the time.
You’ve been feeding lions all day long and your gazelle’s are starving to death, right? So, so they work you outside like, let’s get you out of your comfort zone and here’s a sardine, right? You know, so, and they’ll make you eat this weird stuff and you’re like, I don’t think I wanna eat that. And then after a while you’re like, that’s actually, it tastes pretty good.
So now I’ve gotten to a point, once you get all balanced out, you do this vi their suggestions for three to six months. ’cause that’s how long it takes to kind of get everyone balanced out. And then once you’ve done that, the, the, the mantra going forward should be. Eat things that are in season, you should always be gluten-free.
Always. Mm-hmm. Eat everything that’s within that, that is in season. This forces you to change your diet because you’re not always gonna have access to citrus fruit. I mean, in the modern world we are. But just kind of pretend, pretend it’s 1925, not 2025. And if you can, if you had it in 1925 in January, and by golly that’s what you can eat in January, 2025, this is gonna force you to change your, your eating habits.
One of the other things that I do is I use a lot of these food subscription thing like Blue Apron and there’s one called Hungry Root. My daughters loves the Hungry Root, but, but they, they give you suggestions each week and they send you stuff you’ve never eaten before and like all of a sudden you’re eating.
You know, kale and what a quinoa and stuff that I would’ve never, I would’ve said, that’s hippie food. There ain’t nowhere in hell I’m eating that. But they send it to you, you cook it, it’s delicious, and you realize, wow, A, I know how to cook now, and B, I understand how to cook other things. Then South Louisiana.
Cooking, which is a lot of flour and oil and rice and fatness and sugar and it’s yummy. But having said that, you gotta learn how to cook outside that, right?
Yeah. Well, I mean, I’m so glad that we’re in Texas. I mean we, we get our, we know where our meat comes from. I know cake comes from, well I used to eat eggs ’cause I just found out that I’m like violently like allergic to eggs and was wondering why I felt so inflamed.
And I’m like,
yes, eggs are a big one. Which is a shame too. People hate it when I say that. They’re like, what will I eat? I’m like, there is other food. I promise. Eggs are so convenient, but eggs are an inflammatory. E eggs can be very, very inflammatory and some people are actually allergic. Wheat is always inflammatory cows milk.
Is the dairy of which we speak. When we say no dairy, yes, you could do sheep and goat and not have the response.
Oh,
really? So like you want Yeah. If you wanted to eat feta or certain types of ricotta cheese that wouldn’t be made outta sheep’s milk, you, you would not have a problem.
Wow. Wow.
So it’s, it comes down to the animal.
So, uh, goats and sheep have almost identical to human breast milk composition. So it’s very easy for us to digest, whereas a cow, not so much. So it’s dairy from a cow. Now, if you’re going to ferment it. As yogurt, and I do have a little yogurt machine. I got stuff brewing right now that will be easier to digest.
Just limit the dough, like the amount.
Mm.
You’ll, you’ll, if you haven’t done dairy in a long time and you eat more than like a little quarter cup of yogurt, you’ll kind of know it.
You’ll know.
But that’s a great way, getting a probiotic from a fermented food is like one of the best ways you can do it. And it’s because there’s bazillions of organisms there.
So
yeah, like all those different,
yeah.
Foods like kimchi and all the other stuff like that. I mean,
that’s, and make it yourself, because I’ll tell you, manufacturers lie, they will put a little bit of vinegar or lemon juice in something to make it taste acidic. And they will say that that’s sourdough. That is not sourdough.
It takes days to make sourdough. Right. And so getting off the shelf sourdough doesn’t mean it’s low in gluten. Just because they said it was sourdough.
Yeah.
So when you ferment dough as sourdough, you will decrease the gluten concentration, but you have to do it yourself. And I personally buy flour from Italy for my bread because it’s already lower in gluten.
Yeah. Oh my gosh. You know, I was doing sourdough up until I did this, this report. I was do, I was, I bought iron corn flour. That was
Love it.
The free all of that stuff.
Yeah.
But based on my report, on my, I’m not touching gluten. I mean,
it’s not worth it. Like in my opinion, it’s not worth it. There’s too many other options.
Cassava flour makes a fantastic tortilla. It makes a decent flatbread. It makes it decent. Baked goods in general. Cookie. I mean like you don’t have to cut calories. That’s totally gluten-free. It tastes great. Some gluten-free stuff sucks. Granted, God made a potato eat a potato. I’m telling you. Potatoes fan.
I love that you just eat a potato.
I love that.
Everything. We potato everything, so,
well, thank you so much Dr. Toker. I really appreciate your generosity here and, and really helping women get back on track because this is a topic that clearly, like your microbiome, you know, affects your liver, affects your thyroid, it affects everything.
And so many women are out there being told, oh, you know, you have hypothyroid, you have all, all of these things. And they’re not checking their gut. Like what?
I starts, you gotta start with the gut. All disease starts in the GI tract and it can take a year, two years, honestly, before you’ll notice traction.
So Americans also like to have instant. So it’s I, if you change your ways and you’re thinking three months into it, six months into it, I still have some of these problems. Just stick with it, I promise. ’cause it takes a while to recycle. Your body’s holding onto a lot of toxins and it can’t let ’em all go at the same time.
It just takes a while. So that, that would be my other suggestion. You just kind of have to give it time because the human body is not a machine. It is, but it, it takes a while to heal itself.
Well, and who knows what’s possible for you when you heal? All of these people told you you were too old to have a baby.
It’s never gonna happen if you give yourself the time to heal.
Yep.
You could find yourself in a much better position. I mean, I ended up being more fertile. In my forties Yeah. Than I ever was in my thirties. Yeah. Because of what the things and the lifestyle changes that I had made. I mean, and, and we have to be thinking also for about 40 full weeks of healthy pregnancy.
Hundred percent. So these kinds of ha these habits. Microbiome is good for us and it’s good for babies. So we need more long-term thinking on this.
Your microbiome will become your child’s microbiome. It is critical that it’s healthy. Wow. Like that’s the first thing you can do for your child is have a healthy microbiome.
’cause they get it from you. It’s the maternal. No one ever talks about a father’s contribution to the baby’s microbiome. It doesn’t come from the. Comes from the money.
Wow. Well, so I know you have really cool gut programs that you’re doing as well, so I would love it if you would share it with the audience.
So not only are they gonna check out this biome thing, they’re gonna check out your stuff. Yeah. Because
yes, if they go the, probably the one stop shopping that’s easier to find, kind of find what the stuff that I do is our website, the wellness website, which is dr anna toker.com. And we just launched like literally yesterday, a subscription.
Congratulations. I know. So, so I have had an online webinar where you pay $180 and you get this like encyclopedic 40 years worth of my knowledge on gut health almost too much. It’s a little intimidating and so the feedback has been a super helpful. B takes a long time to get through this information and actually do the actionable tips.
Would you consider doing it as a subscription? One of the, one of the subscribers of the, the big program asked me to do that, and I thought, sure. So for six bucks a month, you know, we will send out different information every week with a little action plan on this is something that you can do and you’re gonna see gluten-free, gluten-free, gluten free, mul, multiple things.
We will do emergency broadcast. So anytime I see something that. Is outlandish that I think people need to know about. I will throw in some of that as bonus content and in my MAHA moment, make America healthy again. Moment. Little things that you can do around the house to sort of detox the house or maybe, maybe they’re getting ready to clean up the FDA somehow in a really cool way and you need to call your congressman or whatever.
So we’re gonna have little as the time is now, and I’m very grateful to be in this position when these things are going on because there are some people who do follow my content and so subscribers will get kind of extra bonus stuff when it comes to those kind of things. So if you have interest in gut health or just detox and being clean diet as a general rule, then hey, less than a cup of coffee.
I mean, I could be right there in your inbox, you know what I’m saying? You know, I would love to figure out, I don’t know how, how do you do? Do you have like a public text forum that you and your clientele, you know, do you do a Facebook group or like, a lot of people don’t do Facebook. That’s the
thing. We, we use Signal.
It’s more secure. We use Signal, we use Telegram. So in my program
I was thinking about Telegram. Yeah. I was thinking about having a Telegram channel and if people wanted to ask a question directly to me, I’m there and then everyone would see the answer. Um,
yeah, that would be the way to go. That or Signal.
Dr. Lee Merritt mentioned Telegram to me. That’s how I found Telegram. And so I’m like, that’s really awesome. So it’s a great platform.
Yeah. Yeah. Pretty cool. So that’s, that’s, we haven’t figured out that part yet, but. We, you know, have maybe a hundred Sri, we had a hundred subscribers yesterday. Thank you.
Everybody who subscribed. But so, so the more the merrier and as people read through the content and they do their little homework and they’re gonna have questions and they we’re gonna wanna have feedback, and feedback will turn into bonus content. We’re all say, okay, the top five comments this week were X, Y, Z.
Let’s go over those real quick. So everyone’s kind of on board. And that way as a team, it will take two years to go through all of the content that is in the program that I converted to this subscription. But in that two year period, grant, I mean you can cancel anytime you want to and join back up, whatever, but it is literally, it is a masterclass in biology in simple to understand terms.
And then we try to wrap that into like. This is the diet point that you’re gonna wanna make, you’re gonna wanna try to do this, consider this time management things, microbiome manipulation type things. So anyway, that’s the concept.
I think that’s wonderful. I love it. And well, and because you understand this literally from the inside out.
Yeah.
I mean, like, you’re seeing people’s guts and you’re seeing like
inside and out. Yes. That’s, that is very true. Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, I, I think that’s brilliant. So thank you so much, Dr. Toker. It’s really good to, you know, to have, be able to have an open, honest, fun conversation about these kinds of topics.
And I think I, I really hope that women listening to this, you know, hey. Get educated, ask questions. Don’t just take, you know, whatever diagnosis you have and take that as like, it’s, you know, it’s over.
Yeah.
You’re, you’re, there’s clearly more that you can do. And, and look in places that we don’t traditionally look and, you know, Dr.
Tokers telling us to look around our belly button. Look in that area.
Look yes. And informed consent is big. And if you ever have a question, always look up the answer. Not from a political thing, but go to the National Library of Medicine, look for a published peer review study. So when someone tells you something, is that true?
Get your informed consent. And doctors, I’m telling you, I may be an asshole surgeon, but doctors are assholes. And I, it’s my professional opinion and I mean, ’cause I have been sick and I’ve had doctors look me in the face and completely say something that is not written in any medical textbook. I’m like, don’t you think that we could try this or this?
Oh, no, that’s ridiculous. And I’ve had a doctor, excuse me, as their patient, because I refused to take, you know, immunomodulating IV expensive drugs for a COVID vaccine injury, autoimmune disease. And, and the wouldn’t even entertain the possibility that I’m just inflamed right now. And I bet you I could detox and spike protein my way out of it wasn’t even an option.
And when I suggested it, I, I got dismissed from the practice. I’m like, I’m a doctor for god’s sake. Don’t you think it’s possible anyway?
Yeah, well, you know, it’s, it’s always look for the study and then look who paid for the study.
Look for the study. Look who paid for the, yeah, a hundred percent. It’s called informed consent.
And it is your human right. You know, that’s, this is Nuremberg trial stuff. You cannot experiment on human beings. You cannot force them to do something. I’m not allowed to operate on someone without explaining to them the risks, the benefits, the expected outcome, what the recovery looks like, what happens if you don’t do that every converse.
I cannot go to an operating room without having that conversation. So I am shocked that so much happens to us without this discussion. And, and again, your doctor, when you went in and they wrote that prescription, did they tell you what that medicine was? Did they tell you what it was gonna do to you? Did it tell you what it, the effects long term work.
No, they don’t. And, and I don’t know how they get away with it and they make us, poor surgeons have these long ass conversations that are scary sometimes.
Yeah.
And some patients will refuse to do the intervention. That’s their informed consent. Right. We’re not in some gulag prison camp where I could do whatever the hell I want to to you.
It’s like that’s not how it works. No, no. That’s for God-given human right to know this information, you’re not a doctor. And so I do have an advantage over you and it’s my ethical responsibility to make sure you and I are kind of talking the same language when you agree to let me cut you wide open and fiddle with your triplets, you know?
Yes. That’s like important.
Well, thank you, Dr. Toker. We love you and we can’t wait to see all the good that you’re gonna be doing in your programs and out in the world. Yes. So thank you.
Yeah. If you ever need me to come back, I’m happy to. I You’d be
pleased.
I love the sound of my voice, obviously, so.
Oh, we love it.
Thank you so much. Loves wasn’t my conversation with Dr. Toker. Absolutely fantastic. Well, I hope that you go to dr toker.com and check out not only her programs, but the supplements she endorses, and anything else she’s got going on over there, because she is truly fantastic. She’s done the investigation, she looked at people’s guts literally, and she absolutely is committed to helping people improve their health by improving their gut, and that includes your fertility.
So go check out dr toker.com. You’ll be so glad that you did, and I’ll see you next time on the Fearlessly Fertile Podcast.
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