Often, our most important growth comes from letting go of who we think we're supposed to be. And for many women, their 40s can be a transformative decade of reexamining long-held expectations and getting closer to who they really are. In this episode of Finding Brave, I have the pleasure of sitting down with journalist and author Stacey Lindsay to explore why this often misunderstood decade deserves a more honest and deep exploration.

Stacey is the author of the new book Being 40: The Decade of Letting Go—and Embracing Who We Are and a senior editor at Maria Shriver's Sunday Paper. Through extensive research and personal reflection, Stacey explores why the 40s can be such a pivotal decade for women.

In our conversation, Stacey shares what inspired her to write the book and why she became fascinated by women's experiences in their 40s. I'm truly honored to be featured in Stacey's important and eye-opening book.

Today we discuss the courage required to tell the truth about our lives, the challenges of letting go of societal pressures, and the reality that this stage of life can be both difficult and deeply liberating. We explore the many transitions that often converge during this decade, from changing bodies and evolving careers to caregiving responsibilities and shifting personal priorities.

Stacey also reflects on the importance of reconnecting with ourselves, embracing vulnerability, and finding comfort in the stories of others. At its heart, this conversation is about giving ourselves permission to live more authentically and release the expectations that no longer serve us.

Tune in for an insightful and uplifting discussion about aging, identity, and what it means to fully embrace who you are becoming.

Key Points From This Episode:

• Introducing Stacey Lindsay and her new book, Being 40. [01:59]
• What Stacey found most daunting about the writing process. [07:55]
• The inspiration behind Stacey's book: why she wanted to write about women in their 40s. [12:13]
• The expectations women carry and what becomes possible when they let them go. [17:58]
• What surprised Stacey most during her conversations with women. [19:54]
• How our mothers and early role models continue to shape us into midlife. [23:26]
• Why our culture is starving for warmth, connection, and genuine human interaction. [29:41]
• Stories of self-acceptance, letting go, and embracing who we are. [32:21]
• How women across generations are helping each other find greater clarity and self-acceptance. [35:36]

For More Information:

Stacey Lindsay

Stacey Lindsay on Instagram

Stacey Lindsay on LinkedIn

Links Mentioned in Today's Episode:

Stacey's book Being 40: The Decade of Letting Go—and Embracing Who We Are

Her book on Audible

Kathy's feature in A Guide to Living in the Unknown, from the Architects of Change section in Maria Shriver's Sunday Paper

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Quotes:

"I'm feeling so many things as a woman right now: as a woman just in her 40s, as a woman in society, unlearning so many things, [and] – I know other women are feeling this." — Stacey Lindsay [0:06:18]

"I think this evolution that women have been going through forever is just fascinating. I think the feminist movement goes through a different wave every day, right? We take three steps forward, two steps back, all of us, but we persevere." — Stacey Lindsay [0:12:51]

"When we really look at the things that we've been carrying that never served us and will never serve us—ideas about how we should look, how we should be, how we should mother, how we should act—when we start to put those down, I found we actually free up a lot more energy to put toward our strength, to face the hard stuff, and then find more joy." — Stacey Lindsay [0:18:27]

"Another thing I deeply hope somebody takes from this book is a companionship with oneself, ultimately. We can become cleaved from ourselves in many ways when we are checking all the boxes, thinking we're doing all the right things." — Stacey Lindsay [0:21:13]

"What has gotten me closer to myself is the company of another woman's story. Sometimes that's through a movie, sometimes that's through a book, many times [it's] through a Mary Oliver poem." — Stacey Lindsay [0:21:45]

"I finally embraced the fact that this is who I am, this is how I am, this is the way I operate. I don't want to apologize anymore. There's this radical coolness about this decade." — Stacey Lindsay [0:33:15]

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What if many of the behaviors we dismiss as laziness or "not getting it together" are actually signs that someone's brain works differently? In this episode of Finding Brave, Kathy Caprino welcomes Kristen Pressner, a trailblazing people leader helping reshape conversations around neurodiversity, ADHD, and human potential. As Chief People Officer for prominent multinational, Nokia, Kristen is a sought-after voice on equity and inclusion and regularly appears on international "Top HR Influencer" lists.

Following the global impact of her TEDx talk, Are you biased? I am, which challenged audiences to confront unconscious bias with greater honesty and self-awareness, Kristen returned to the TEDx stage with a new question: Why is it that so many people just 'can't get it together'? The talk explores how neurodivergent traits are often misunderstood and has sparked conversations across families, workplaces, and the ADHD community. It also led to Kristen joining the World Economic Forum's Global Brain Economy Initiative, launched at Davos.

In this conversation, Kristen shares how her family's experiences with ADHD transformed the way she understands motivation, behavior, and potential. She explains why many neurodivergent traits are misunderstood as character flaws and how traditional expectations can unintentionally create shame. Kristen also unpacks the biological differences between neurotypical and ADHD brains, including the role dopamine plays in focus and action, and how to build neuro-inclusive workplaces that help people thrive.

Additionally, Kristen highlights the extraordinary strengths that often accompany neurodivergence, from creativity and innovation to future thinking and problem-solving. Tune in for a powerful conversation about neurodiversity, leadership, and creating a more brain-friendly world!

Key Points From This Episode:

• Introducing Kristen Pressner, her TEDx talks, and her revelations around unconscious bias as an HR leader. [02:02]
• How the pandemic exposed hidden struggles with ADHD and neurodivergence within Kristen's family. [08:45]
• Diagnostic criteria, why ADHD is often misunderstood, and how neurodivergence exists on a broader spectrum than many realize. [12:15]
• Biological differences between neurotypical and ADHD brains, and why different brains need different strategies to thrive. [15:07]
• The necessary conditions for focus and productivity in ADHD minds: challenging, novel, fun, or do-or-die urgent. [20:23]
• Reframing "hard" and "easy" tasks and recognizing the unique strengths linked to neurodivergence. [22:50]
• How reducing shame and building brain-friendly conditions helped Kristen's family move from surviving to thriving. [23:57]
• Kristen's advice for parents: reducing shame, recognizing strengths, and helping neurodivergent kids thrive. [31:33]
• Her vision for more flexible, neuro-inclusive workplaces that help people thrive. [35:09]
• Where to learn more about Kristen's work and why spreading awareness around neurodiversity matters. [40:19]

For More Information:

Kristen Pressner

Kristen Pressner on LinkedIn

Kristen Pressner on Instagram

Kristen Pressner on Facebook

Kristen Pressner on X

Kristen Pressner on TikTok

Be a Brain Friend TEDx on Instagram

Be a Brain Friend TEDx on Facebook

Links Mentioned in Today's Episode:

Kristen's TEDx talk, Why is it that so many people just 'can't get it together'?

Kristen's TEDx talk on unconscious bias, Are you biased? I am

HR Leaders Podcast with Chris Rainey, How To Create a Neurodiversity-Friendly Workplace

LinkedIn Post, The #1 Skill in the Age of AI (It's not what you think)

Direct link to free Neurodiversity Learning Pathway

The World Economic Forum's Global Brain Economy Initiative

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Kathy's Power Gaps Survey, Support To Build Your LinkedIn Profile To Great Success & Other Free Resources

Kathy's TEDx Talk, Time To Brave Up & Free Career Path Self-Assessment

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Quotes:

"I thought ADHD was nine-year-old boys bouncing off the wall, and that isn't how it manifested in my house at all." — Kristen Pressner [0:14:11]

"How it manifested in my house is [through] things that most of us would call character flaws: not getting it together, running around looking for your keys—not adulting." — Kristen Pressner [0:14:18]

"I saw all this potential in my family, and then all of this appeared to me to be laziness, not giving a hoot, not trying, not applying themselves, and that's character flaws." — Kristen Pressner [0:14:49]

"I have wind at my back, because the world was made for me, and they've got invisible wind in their face, because it wasn't made for them." — Kristen Pressner [0:19:58]

"It feels like they're making easy things really hard. [But they] make hard things look really easy, like connecting dots others wouldn't connect, or anticipating the future in ways I couldn't do." — Kristen Pressner [0:23:11]

"Our research shows that the accommodations in the workplace that enable someone to be much more effective cost less than 500 bucks. No one's asking to work from Fiji." — Kristen Pressner [0:37:36]

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You can be confident and capable, and still hold yourself back. So what's actually stopping you from moving forward? In this episode of Finding Brave, Kathy Caprino welcomes back returning guest Dr. Cindy McGovern to explore why confidence alone does not drive change, and why we often hold ourselves back even when we know we're ready to move forward.

Known as the "First Lady of Sales," Dr. Cindy is a bestselling author and consultant who believes every person already has the skills to get what they want in life and work. In her latest book, The Permission Mission: Reclaiming The Power To Trust Your Own Voice, she challenges the idea that we need approval from others, showing how many of us are still waiting for permission, shaped by past experiences and internalized beliefs.

In this conversation, Dr. Cindy introduces the idea of "backup singers," the internal voices that influence how we see ourselves and what we believe we're allowed to pursue. She explains how these voices create a pause right at the edge of growth, not because we lack ability, but because we have learned to question whether we are allowed to move forward. Through honest examples and a real-time, live coaching session, the episode reveals how even highly successful people can feel blocked by patterns they do not always recognize.

You'll also hear practical strategies for identifying these internal influences, understanding where they come from, and deciding which ones no longer serve you. If you're ready to stop waiting and start trusting your own voice, this episode will help you take that first step!

Key Points From This Episode:

• A warm welcome back to Dr. Cindy McGovern, her new book, The Permission Mission, and the focus on trusting your own voice. [02:02]
• Why people wait for permission and how this shows up even in confident, high-achieving professionals. [05:00]
• The concept of "backup singers" and how internalized voices shape our decisions and self-perception. [07:18]
• Why confidence can exist in some areas while permission-seeking persists in others. [08:14]
• A live coaching example on reclaiming your voice: naming your "backup singers", cleaning out your emotional closet, and choosing which voices to listen to. [11:45]
• Recognizing why you continue to listen to internal "backup singers" and learning how to quiet competing voices to hear and trust your own instincts. [20:22]
• How to begin reclaiming your voice by questioning where self-doubt was learned and why it persists. [24:30]
• Three powerful strategies for reclaiming and trusting your own voice: listen to your instincts, practice speaking up before speaking up, and be honest with yourself. [31:12]

For More Information:

Dr. Cindy McGovern

Dr. Cindy McGovern on LinkedIn

Dr. Cindy McGovern on Facebook

Dr. Cindy McGovern on Instagram

Dr. Cindy McGovern on YouTube

Dr. Cindy McGovern on TikTok

Dr. Cindy McGovern on X

Orange Leaf Consulting

Orange Leaf Academy

Links Mentioned in Today's Episode:

Dr. Cindy's latest book, The Permission Mission: Reclaiming The Power To Trust Your Own Voice

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In Australia and New Zealand, click here to order, elsewhere outside North America, click here, and in the UK, click here.

If you enjoy the book, we'd so appreciate your giving the book a positive rating and review on Amazon! And check out Kathy's digital companion course The Most Powerful You, to help you close the 7 most damaging power gaps in the most effective way possible.

Kathy's Power Gaps Survey, Support To Build Your LinkedIn Profile To Great Success & Other Free Resources

Kathy's TEDx Talk, Time To Brave Up & Free Career Path Self-Assessment

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Key Quotes from Today's Show:

"We all have these backup singers in our heads, and it's the ones we choose to listen to and the ones we choose not to listen to: they're calling the shots." — @1stladyofsales [0:07:39]

"I could be very confident in one area and still waiting for permission in another." — @1stladyofsales [0:08:51]

"Once you start quieting all these competing priorities in your own head and listening to all of this, you start actually listening to what you want." — @1stladyofsales [0:22:11]

"Our emotions are our GPS, and we tend to turn them off. Why do we do that? Where did we learn to turn them off?" — @1stladyofsales [0:25:44]

"Remember, you're doing what's best for you, and if you're your best, it's better for everybody, and you're not doing anybody any favors by being totally burned out, totally exhausted. It's not good for anybody." — @1stladyofsales [0:33:35]

"Your self-worth is not up for negotiation. That's not part of the problem here. That's never been part of the problem. The only permission you need is your own." — @1stladyofsales [0:36:50]

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What if the thing that's been standing in our way financially is actually just a part of us that's trying to protect us? In this episode, Kathy welcomes former financial adviser, somatic money coach, and author, Catherine Morgan, back to the show to talk about money blocks and fears, and why financial issues aren't often caused by a lack of discipline or desire, but rather because body patterns cannot be healed through mindset shifts alone.

Catherine is the founder of The Money Panel® and is on a mission to empower one million people towards greater financial equity by addressing the emotional and psychological patterns that keep people stuck financially. She offers nervous-system-focused, somatic approaches that help her clients heal their relationship with money. Catherine believes that financial freedom can only be achieved when the trauma responses that drive financial behavior are addressed.

In our conversation, Catherine reflects on her personal financial journey and discusses how our earliest childhood experiences inform our relationships with money. She explains how language cues give us information about financial trauma, the importance of allowing yourself to feel your emotions, and the power of collective financial freedom. Catherine also introduces the concept of Money Protective, Desiring, and Neutral Parts and shares how meeting these parts with curiosity, not judgment, leads to healing. She encourages listeners to 'have a discussion' with the different parts of us relating to money so that these parts can work together, instead of being in conflict.

Catherine breaks down why money blocks are not mindset failures; they are body memories that need to be healed somatically. When these blocks are healed using somatic tools, we can teach our bodies that wealth is safe and finally achieve our financial goals. To end, you'll hear about Catherine's upcoming Wealth Resonance® Program and Kathy's part in it. Tune in to discover how acknowledging our Protective Parts with compassion can transform the way we handle our money!

Key Points From This Episode:

• Introduction to Catherine Morgan, her own financial journey, and why money is one of the most accurate reflections of our relationship with ourselves. [02:56]
• How our earliest experiences affect our relationship with money and why we need to look at those memories with compassion. [08:05]
• Catherine walks us through how language cues link to money beliefs and how we can use them to understand trauma. [17:00]
• What the Reticular Activating System (RAS) is and the role it plays in our relationship with money. [20:51]
• The importance of allowing yourself to feel and show emotion, and why collective financial freedom is so powerful. [27:26]
• Misconceptions about content creation and how Catherine thinks the value of our economy will evolve during the AI revolution. [32:02]
• The one framework Catherine wants to teach listeners: Money Parts (Protective, Desiring, and Neutral) and how to manage them. [37:46]
• Catherine tells us about her upcoming money coaching sessions and what we can learn from her program, The Body of Wealth. [47:09]
• An invitation to join Wealth Resonance with Catherine and Kathy, and a bit about what you can expect from it. [51:04]

For More Information:

Catherine Morgan

Catherine Morgan on LinkedIn

Catherine Morgan on Facebook

Catherine Morgan on Instagram

Links Mentioned in Today's Episode:

The Great Release - A free 2-day event to help you install a new money operating system

Wealth Resonance® 8 Week Program

Catherine's Podcast, It's Not About the Money

——————— Info about upcoming programs from Catherine Morgan Catherine's FREE Event - The Great Release - May 14th and 18th, 2026The Great Release is a free, live two-part experience happening on 14th May and 18th May 2026. In Session 1 (14th May, 7 pm (UK)), Catherine guides you through an EFT release practice and Heart Breathing to shift the pattern your body has been holding around money. In Session 2 (18th May), you build your Personal Money Map — a one-page blueprint of your specific money pattern, with a daily practice to take it forward. It's completely free, it's live, and everything you create is built from your own experience. Register here: [LINK]

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Wealth Resonance® 8-Week Money Somatics Program with Catherine Morgan (including a bonus event - The Power To Receive - with Kathy)

Join Catherine in May 2026 in her transformative program that helps clients heal their relationship with money through nervous system-focused approaches, incorporating Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT) and trauma-informed practices to create lasting financial change.

EXCLUSIVE BONUS: Join Wealth Resonance® and you will also receive an exclusive one-hour live training with Kathy: The Power to Receive - Shifting the patterns that limit your visibility, confidence, and expansion

CLICK HERE to learn more >> Weath Resonance® Program

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Join me today in one of my top-requested career and leadership growth 1:1 coaching programs and take 20% off the price this week with coupon code 'FBRAVE20 as my thank-you for tuning in!

Click the links below for more information and register today to save 20%:

– Jumpstart Your Career Success (3 sessions)– Career & Leadership Breakthrough program (6 sessions)– Build Your Confidence, Success, and Impact (10 sessions)

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In Australia and New Zealand, click here to order, elsewhere outside North America, click here, and in the UK, click here.

If you enjoy the book, we'd so appreciate your giving the book a positive rating and review on Amazon! And check out Kathy's digital companion course The Most Powerful You, to help you close the 7 most damaging power gaps in the most effective way possible.

Kathy's Power Gaps Survey, Support To Build Your LinkedIn Profile To Great Success & Other Free Resources

Kathy's TEDx Talk, Time To Brave Up & Free Career Path Self-Assessment

Kathy's Amazing Career Project video training course & 6 Dominant Action Styles Quiz

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Quotes:

"I think money is the deepest, most reflective, most interesting, most challenging conversation that we can have with ourselves because money is such a representation of how we feel about ourselves [and] how we treat ourselves." — Catherine Morgan [0:04:36]

"So much of our early experiences around money have formed before the age of six. In fact, our whole belief system has been formed before the age of six." — Catherine Morgan [0:20:16]

"It is important to feel, it is important to be vulnerable, it is important to understand that we are shifting into a completely new way of being with money." — Catherine Morgan [0:30:35]

"We're moving away from independent financial freedom to collective financial freedom." — Catherine Morgan [0:30:55]

"Holding space for all those [Money] Parts together is just a wonderful experience." — Catherine Morgan [0:45:11]

"Money is the deepest, darkest conversation that we have, and it's the most important one." — Catherine Morgan [0:49:59]

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Note from Kathy: I'm excited to bring back one of the most popular episodes of Finding Brave in recent months — a conversation that has stayed with me over time.

Listening again, I'm reminded how relevant and instrumental Jeffrey Allen's insights and teachings are, especially in moments when we're questioning our direction, purpose, or next step. Enjoy!

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Why would someone walk away from a lucrative, 15-year career in software engineering? For Jeffrey Allen, it came down to one thing: learning to prioritize the "spirit mind" over the "material mind." That perspective shift gave him the inner clarity—and the bravery and courage—to finally move into a life and career of deeper purpose.

Jeffrey is a spiritual teacher and energy healer whose work has empowered 1.6 million people through Mindvalley's Healing Programs and through his own courses, trainings and years of individual and group work with thousands of people around the globe. His mission is to make access to our higher consciousness and to energy healing practices available to all—helping people release pain, deepen relationships, and live with genuine purpose. Alongside his wife, Hisami, he co-created Awakening Your Spirit Mind, a five‑week online training designed to help people reconnect with their true essence, tune into their connected consciousness beyond logic, and live more from joy and inner wisdom.

Today, we weave together themes of career, leadership, personal growth, and performance as well as deep healing and growth, in a discussion about making the brave leap to deeper purpose in our lives and work. Jeffrey details his own transition from a successful 15-year career as a software engineer to a renowned energy healer and teacher – a move propelled by a "visceral" feeling of emptiness despite great outward success. He urges us to heed our inner guidance, observing that we're in an energy climate today where people are becoming more authentic, so our desires and priorities naturally evolve through growth and change.

The discussion underscores the power of recognizing our two minds: the material mind, rooted in logic yet tangled with emotion and regret, and the spirit mind, which offers universal wisdom, a peaceful presence, and love. Jeffrey goes on to explain the difference between material mind spirituality and spirit mind, why our beliefs should be based on our experiences, and details a three-step (plus a bonus fourth) process to shift out of your material mind.

Join this riveting conversation to discover how you, too, can take a brave leap to fully live your life purpose.

Key Highlights From This Episode:

• Introducing the title, topic, and guest for today's conversation: the brave leap to live your life purpose. [01:25]
• What it takes to honor our deep callings and the brave leap to purpose. [07:20]
• A discussion unpacking our internal guides and guidance, and how listening to our internal guidance shifts us to experience integrated awareness. [14:30]
• Reframing what we experience as "mistakes" we've made, as an energetic breakthrough instead. [26:10]
• The power of two minds: the material mind versus the spirit mind. [30:00]
• Jeffrey helps explain the difference between material mind spirituality and spirit mind spirituality. [38:30]
• Why your beliefs should be based on your own experiences. [42:50]
• The spirit mind: a holistic, unconditional love observation space. [43:30]
• Three steps to shift out of your material mind. [46:20]
• The fourth step to finding the beautiful moments every day in life and why that's essential to our best lives. [53:20]

For More Information:

Jeffrey Allen

Jeffrey Allen on Facebook

Jeffrey Allen on Instagram

Jeffrey Allen on YouTube

Jeffrey Allen on LinkedIn

Links Mentioned in Today's Episode:

Explore Jeffrey and Hisami's courses on Energy Training, Awareness Training, and Spirit Mind Training.

Follow this link for more information on Mindvalley Personal Development Programs.

Jeffrey and Hisami Allen's Course – Awakening Your Spirit Mind:

Jeffrey Allen lives in Tokyo with his wife, Hisami, and together they've created a transformational course and community called Awakening Your Spirit Mind. This deeply inspiring and life-affirming program encompasses the concept of "Spirit Mind Living" – and teaches participants with detailed chapter lessons, videos, visualizations, meditations and more to help participants reconnect with their true essence and remember how consciousness truly works – and how to open yourself up to a whole new mindset and lifestyle to navigate the massive collective energy shift happening on the planet right now.

What is Spirit Mind Living? Learn more HERE

To register for the course, click HERE

Jeffrey's brand new course - "5 Days to Calm Your Mind and Meet Your Spirit" offers a taste of Spirit Mind experientially, and is FREE for the Finding Brave community and listeners. Learn more here.

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Order Kathy's book The Most Powerful You today!

In Australia and New Zealand, click here to order, elsewhere outside North America, click here, and in the UK, click here.

If you enjoy the book, we'd so appreciate your giving the book a positive rating and review on Amazon! And check out Kathy's digital companion course The Most Powerful You, to help you close the 7 most damaging power gaps in the most effective way possible.

Kathy's Power Gaps Survey, Support To Build Your LinkedIn Profile To Great Success & Other Free Resources

Kathy's TEDx Talk, Time To Brave Up & Free Career Path Self-Assessment

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Quotes:

"I always tell people if you want to have a really fun first date with somebody, don't talk." — Jeffrey Allen [0:06:06]

"I think that's the way money is actually set up to work for us. If we focus on helping people and giving, it's natural that abundance and money is going to flow back to us." — Jeffrey Allen [0:08:49]

"We can really only see what's part of our belief system." — Jeffrey Allen [0:14:50]

"The energy of spirit mind is this sense of peaceful presence, love, this universal wisdom." — Jeffrey Allen [0:32:47]

"The spirit mind is always connected. It's not even connected. It just is this universal consciousness and love." — Jeffrey Allen [0:39:25]

"Let it be okay that you have two minds. This is such a powerful shift because then you don't have to change the mind that's bothering you. You don't have to change it." — Jeffrey Allen [0:50:36]

Watch our Finding Brave episodes on YouTube!

Don't forget – you can experience each Finding Brave episode in both audio and video formats! Check out new and recent episodes on my YouTube channel at YouTube.com/kathycaprino. And please leave us a comment and a thumbs up if you like the show!

Stress has become a badge of honor in many workplaces and is often praised as a sign of drive and resilience, even when it leads to burnout. In this conversation, Kathy speaks with executive advisor and author Amy Leneker about why redefining our relationship with stress may be the key we need to healthier leadership and more sustainable and rewarding success.

Amy Leneker is a former C-suite executive and leadership consultant who has helped more than 100,000 leaders and teams thrive at work. After experiencing burnout twice in her own career, she became determined to help others succeed without sacrificing their health, relationships, or happiness. She shares insights from her new book, Cheers to Monday: The Surprisingly Simple Method to Lead and Live with Less Stress and More Joy, and explains why joy is not a reward that comes after success but a powerful force that helps create it.

In our conversation, Amy reflects on her personal journey through burnout and the deeper patterns that kept leading her back to overwhelming stress. She explains how the stories we carry about work, ambition, and gratitude can shape our behavior and keep us stuck in unhealthy cycles. By uncovering these "stress stories," individuals and teams can begin to understand where their pressure truly comes from and how it influences their choices.

Amy also shares how leaders can begin shifting their relationship with stress, both individually and within organizations. Through honest conversations and a willingness to question long-held assumptions, teams can begin moving away from cultures where stress is worn as a badge of honor.

Tune in to discover how redefining stress and embracing joy can transform the way we lead, work, and live.

Key Highlights From This Episode:

• Introduction to Amy Leneker and how experiencing burnout twice pushed her to examine the patterns repeatedly led her back to overwhelming stress. [02:01]
• Research findings on why stress is often misunderstood in the workplace and how joy helps buffer and build resilience against stress. [07:34]
• How childhood experiences can shape the "stress stories" we carry into our careers. [12:04]
• Amy's framework for working with organizations and teams, including one-on-one interviews. [15:53]
• Collective stress stories within teams and organizations, and how some workplaces view chronic stress as a badge of honor. [18:09]
• Practical stress strategies: The importance of strong support systems, Amy's Un-Stressing Method, and the five types of work stress. [20:47]
• How to distinguish between motivating stress (eustress) and harmful stress (distress) based on whether it enhances or harms performance. [27:05]
• A simple decision matrix for solving stressors based on importance and control, helping leaders decide when to act, ask for help, accept, or move on. [30:32]
• Where to learn more about Amy's work, including her website, her new book, and opportunities for deeper training. [38:08]

For More Information:

Amy Leneker

Amy Leneker on LinkedIn

Amy Leneker on Instagram

Amy Leneker on X

Amy Leneker on YouTube

Links Mentioned in Today's Episode:

Amy's latest book, Cheers to Monday: The Surprisingly Simple Method to Lead and Live with Less Stress and More Joy

Amy's podcast Less Stress, More Joy

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Visit my Career Help page, or click the links below for more information and to register today and save 20%:

– Jumpstart Your Career Success (3 sessions)

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I'm thrilled to join the Hubble Expert Advisory group, a space for thoughtful conversations and honest advice on life, work, business, and career challenges.

I often hear from people worldwide seeking guidance on careers, leadership, personal growth, and making a bigger impact doing work you're uniquely designed for that brings meaning, fulfillment and reward to your life. Now, connecting and answering your questions is easier than ever—Hubble lets you book a one-off call or recurring sessions with me.

Book some time with me here on Hubble – I'd love to support your top goals:

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Order Kathy's book The Most Powerful You today!

In Australia and New Zealand, click here to order, elsewhere outside North America, click here, and in the UK, click here.

If you enjoy the book, we'd so appreciate your giving the book a positive rating and review on Amazon! And check out Kathy's digital companion course The Most Powerful You, to help you close the 7 most damaging power gaps in the most effective way possible.

Kathy's Power Gaps Survey, Support To Build Your LinkedIn Profile To Great Success & Other Free Resources

Kathy's TEDx Talk, Time To Brave Up & Free Career Path Self-Assessment

Kathy's Amazing Career Project video training course & 6 Dominant Action Styles Quiz

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Quotes:

"I burnt out in a terrible, horrible, devastating way. And I thought, 'Well, surely if you do that once, it doesn't happen again? You can't possibly do that again.' But [I] did." — Amy Leneker [0:04:54]

"After the second time [I burnt out] the light bulb finally went off for me, where I had to say, 'What is this pattern that's allowing this to happen again, and how do I make sure [I] shut it down so that this isn't just my cycle for the rest of my life?'" — Amy Leneker [0:05:08]

"Anytime I was in a time of stress, I thought, 'Well, joy needs to come later. If we can get through this stressful period, then the joy will come.' And the research shows the exact opposite: that joy is a buffer for stress. Joy is a resilience against stress." — Amy Leneker [0:08:15]

"Joy is not the award we get at the end. Joy is what's going to help us get through." — Amy Leneker [0:08:32]

"It's not just individuals that have stress stories. Teams have them, and entire organizations have them." — Amy Leneker [0:18:29]

"Stress isn't the price of success, it's the thief that steals it." — Amy Leneker [0:29:19]

Watch our Finding Brave episodes on YouTube!

Don't forget – you can experience each Finding Brave episode in both audio and video formats! Check out new and recent episodes on my YouTube channel at YouTube.com/kathycaprino. And please leave us a comment and a thumbs up if you like the show!

What if you feel you're doing everything right in your job search and it's still not bringing you results? In today's uncertain market, even highly capable professionals are facing longer searches and lower response rates. On this episode of Finding Brave, we explore what is really happening in today's hiring landscape and why so many smart and capable professionals are struggling.

Sam Wright is one of the founding team members of Huntr.co, an AI-powered resume builder and job search platform. Drawing from analyses of over 1.6 million applications and hundreds of one-on-one coaching conversations, he combines data-backed insight with genuine compassion for the emotional toll of career uncertainty. In this conversation, he shares key findings from Huntr's 2025 Annual Job Search Trends Report and what they reveal about the realities of today's market.

Together, we unpack the biggest job application mistakes professionals are making, including why tailoring your resume strategically for each job can significantly improve interview conversion rates. Sam explains why high-volume applying often backfires, what the data actually says about resume length, and why quality and relevance matter more than fitting everything onto one page. He reminds us that the job search is not a place to be humble, but to clearly and truthfully showcase your impact.

The conversation also tackles myths about AI and applicant tracking systems, clarifying what really disqualifies candidates. Listen in for a data-backed, practical conversation that will give you a clearer understanding of what actually drives results in today's job search process.

Key Highlights From This Episode:

• Introducing Sam Wright, Huntr.co, and highlights from their 2025 Job Search Trends Report. [01:59]
• Why the average job search is taking longer. [06:47]
• The biggest mistake candidates make: not tailoring resumes to the job description. [10:28]
• How to tailor your resume to match the job description and showcase your skills. [14:59]
• Debunking the one-page resume myth and focusing on quality over length. [21:52]
• When cover letters help and why high-volume applying backfires. [23:55]
• Using AI tools wisely and avoiding fabricated metrics. [25:42]
• Giving yourself permission to claim your accomplishments, especially for women who often understate their impact. [29:05]
• Learning to embrace and build your identity beyond your job title. [34:31]
• Navigating applicant tracking systems (ATS) and automated screening in the job market. [41:13]

For More Information:

Sam Wright on LinkedIn

Sam Wright on Instagram

Links Mentioned in Today's Episode:

CLICK HERE to visit Huntr and organize and track your job search

Check out Huntr's 2025 Annual Job Search Trends Report

Try out Huntr's AI Resume Builder and Resume Tailor

READY FOR A HUGE SHIFT TO ACHIEVE MORE SUCCESS, IMPACT, AND FULFILLMENT IN YOUR CAREER?

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Join me today in one of my top-requested career and leadership growth 1:1 coaching programs and take 20% off the price this week with coupon code 'FBRAVE20 as my thank-you for tuning in!

Visit my Career Help page, or click the links below for more information and to register today and save 20%:

– Jumpstart Your Career Success (3 sessions)

– Career & Leadership Breakthrough program (6 sessions)

– Build Your Confidence, Success and Impact (10 sessions)

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GOT A BURNING CAREER OR PROFESSIONAL GROWTH QUESTION? Ask me on Hubble

I'm thrilled to join the Hubble Expert Advisory group, a space for thoughtful conversations and honest advice on life, work, business, and career challenges.

I often hear from people worldwide seeking guidance on careers, leadership, personal growth, and making a bigger impact. Now, connecting and answering your questions is easier than ever—Hubble lets you book a one-off call or recurring sessions with me.

Book some time with me here on Hubble - I'd love to support your top goals:

https://app.hubble.social/kathycaprino

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Order Kathy's book The Most Powerful You today!

In Australia and New Zealand, click here to order, elsewhere outside North America, click here, and in the UK, click here.

If you enjoy the book, we'd so appreciate your giving the book a positive rating and review on Amazon! And check out Kathy's digital companion course The Most Powerful You, to help you close the 7 most damaging power gaps in the most effective way possible.

Kathy's Power Gaps Survey, Support To Build Your LinkedIn Profile To Great Success & Other Free Resources

Kathy's TEDx Talk, Time To Brave Up & Free Career Path Self-Assessment

Kathy's Amazing Career Project video training course & 6 Dominant Action Styles Quiz

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Sponsor Highlight

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Quotes:

"The average job search time has increased from about 50 days to 80 to 90 days, according to our Huntr data." — Sam Wright [0:06:10]

"The best time to get ready for a job search is actually while you're employed." — Sam Wright [0:09:41]

"What our data suggests is [optimal is] applying to 10 to 15 or 10 to 20 jobs per week with a well-tailored resume that matches the job description." — Sam Wright [0:24:34]

"This life of a part-time farmer, and connecting to the soil is really important to me, and it grounds me literally, and reminds me where I come from and what this life is all about, which is in one form or another, spending good time with the people that we love and care about." — Sam Wright [0:36:55]

"When you're getting advice from someone, [like] a career coach or resume writer, if you're feeling afraid or scared, or they're evoking negative emotions, you probably want to run away from that person." — Sam Wright [0:42:18]

"About 10% of the people that I meet with are doing everything right, and it's just a really difficult market." — Sam Wright [0:42:57]

Watch our Finding Brave episodes on YouTube!

Don't forget – you can experience each Finding Brave episode in both audio and video formats! Check out new and recent episodes on my YouTube channel at YouTube.com/kathycaprino. And please leave us a comment and a thumbs up if you like the show!

Our inspiring podcast guest today, Scott Tillema, is an award-winning keynote speaker and negotiation expert who helps leaders navigate difficult conversations with confidence, influence, and trust. Drawing on more than 20 years in law enforcement, including his work as an FBI-trained hostage negotiator and a business negotiator trained through the Harvard University Program on Negotiation, Scott brings rare, real-world insight into what it takes to lead effectively in high-stakes moments. His work focuses on showing leaders how to connect first, influence second, and create outcomes that move people and businesses forward. In this episode, Scott unpacks the psychology behind negotiation and human connection through four key factors: understanding, timing, delivery, and respect. He shares how his early life, career in law enforcement, and deep study of human behavior shaped his approach, why judgment blocks connection, and how problem-solving can sometimes stand in the way of true empathy.

We also explore what bad leadership can teach us, why influence is a learnable skill, and why we should never forget that connection is at the very heart of influence. Join us for an eye-opening conversation about how to harness the influence you may not even know you have to change the world for the better.

Key Highlights From This Episode:

• Scott's beginnings in hostage negotiations from studying psychology and working in law enforcement. [04:45]
• How his childhood and early adult experiences shaped his curiosity about what drives people. [06:53]
• How judgment acts as a barrier to connection and ultimately negotiation. [11:20]
• Four factors of negotiation: understanding, timing, delivery, and respect. [17:03]
• Why it is truly possible for anyone to become a strong verbal influencer. [21:32]
• What we can learn from bad leadership and the mistakes they make along the way. [26:12]
• Why problem-solving creates a barrier to true empathy. [31:02]
• A final word of encouragement about the influence you might not know you have. [44:55]

For More Information:

Scott TillemaScott Tillema on InstagramScott Tillema on LinkedIn

Scott Tillema on YouTube

Links Mentioned in Today's Episode:

Scott Tillema's TEDx TalkThe 7 Habits of Highly Effective PeopleAlison Fragale's episode on Finding BraveAlison Fragale's book, Likeable Badass

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READY FOR A HUGE SHIFT TO ACHIEVE MORE SUCCESS, IMPACT, AND FULFILLMENT IN YOUR CAREER?

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Join me today in one of my top-requested career and leadership growth 1:1 coaching programs and take 20% off the price this week as a valued Finding Brave listener, with coupon code 'FBRAVE20 as my thank-you for tuning in!

Visit my Career Help page, or click the links below for more information and to register today and save 20%:

– Jumpstart Your Career Success (3 sessions)

– Career & Leadership Breakthrough program (6 sessions)

– Build Your Confidence, Success and Impact (10 sessions)

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GOT A BURNING CAREER OR PROFESSIONAL GROWTH QUESTION? Ask me on Hubble

I'm thrilled to join the Hubble Expert Advisory group, a space for thoughtful conversations and honest advice on life, work, business, and career challenges.

I often hear from people worldwide seeking guidance on careers, leadership, personal growth, and making a bigger impact. Now, connecting and answering your questions is easier than ever—Hubble lets you book a one-off call or recurring sessions with me.

Book a call with me today via Hubble - I'd love to support your top goals: https://app.hubble.social/kathycaprino

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Order Kathy's book The Most Powerful You today!

In Australia and New Zealand, click here to order, elsewhere outside North America, click here, and in the UK, click here.

If you enjoy the book, we'd so appreciate your giving the book a positive rating and review on Amazon! And check out Kathy's digital companion course The Most Powerful You, to help you close the 7 most damaging power gaps in the most effective way possible.

Kathy's Power Gaps Survey, Support To Build Your LinkedIn Profile To Great Success & Other Free Resources

Kathy's TEDx Talk, Time To Brave Up & Free Career Path Self-Assessment

Kathy's Amazing Career Project video training course & 6 Dominant Action Styles Quiz

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Sponsor Highlight

I'm thrilled that both Audible.com and Amazon Music are sponsors of Finding Brave! Take advantage of their great special offers and free trials today!

Audible Offer

Amazon Music Offer

Quotes:

"Crisis isn't reserved for the SWAT team. We're all experiencing this in our teams, in our organizations, in our families. So these techniques and structures that I've learned in these life or death conversations are so needed and so interesting to people outside of the law enforcement lane." — Scott Tillema [0:06:03]

"Influence begins with connection and connection begins with a dialogue, and the block to dialogue and the block to connection is judgment." — Scott Tillema [0:11:25]

"So often we think about what we're going to say, and if we're really elite we think about how we're going to say it, but rarely does anybody give consideration to the right time to deliver the message." — Scott Tillema [0:17:50] "We all have the power to be incredible verbal influencers." — Scott Tillema [0:22:51] "The enemy of empathy is problem-solving." — Scott Tillema [0:32:16]

"Leadership is going to take courage." — Scott Tillema [0:35:42]

"Crisis isn't reserved for the SWAT team. We're all experiencing this in our teams, in our organizations, in our families. So these techniques and structures that I've learned in these life or death conversations are so needed and so interesting to people outside of the law enforcement lane." — Scott Tillema [0:06:03]

Watch our Finding Brave episodes on YouTube!

Don't forget – you can experience each Finding Brave episode in both audio and video formats! Check out new and recent episodes on my YouTube channel at YouTube.com/kathycaprino. And please leave us a comment and a thumbs up if you like the show!

Are you using AI to its full potential to meet your marketing, small business, and branding needs? Today's guest, Alan Stern, is a dynamic speaker, DJ, and marketing expert with nearly twenty years of sales and marketing experience in retail and service industries. His passion for helping small businesses thrive translates into practical guidance on how to leverage AI and freemium apps to create a big impact with your marketing on a small budget.

Driven by the belief that people buy from a person before they buy from a brand, his unique approach at Persona Marketing helps his clients leverage humor and education to create marketing that builds trust and truly connects. He also unpacks this in his book, How to Dominate The Newsfeed Without Spending A Dime, which teaches audiences how to attract business through social media.

Join us as we unpack the power of integrating simple tech tools into your day-to-day work to improve your reach, help you find your niche, and develop your voice. This is a conversation about how to use AI to make your hard-earned expertise, lived experience and mentorship more valuable than ever, rather than allowing AI to replace your genius or your special lens,

We talk about not only about the power of AI, but the power of you! Don't miss out on key insights to help you leverage AI with confidence and get real results you're desiring.

Key Highlights From This Episode:

• Alan's journey to making a big impact on a small budget. [03:46]
• How to stay top of mind without spending any money using the H.E.A.T. Method. [06:57]
• Why "aspirational" marketing is ultimately a turn-off and what is actually working online. [11:38]
• How AI can support you in marketing to solve a problem versus address a situation. [16:43]
• Leveraging technology for market research to better understand your audience. [21:24]
• An easy win to reach your exact target market using AI tools. [28:46]
• What it looks like to use AI to make your lived expertise and mentorship more valuable. [34:35]
• How ChatGPT can help you understand your niche in the market. [42:13]

For More Information:

Alan Stern

Alan Stern Email

Alan Stern on LinkedIn

Alan Stern on Facebook

Alan Stern on Instagram

Persona Marketing

Microsites

Links Mentioned in Today's Episode:

Alan's book, How to Dominate The Newsfeed Without Spending A Dime

Kathy's Career and Leadership Growth Digital Tool

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READY FOR A HUGE SHIFT TO ACHIEVE A RAPID BREAKTHROUGH TO GREATER SUCCESS, IMPACT AND REWARD IN YOUR CAREER?

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Join me today in one of my top-requested career and leadership growth 1:1 coaching programs and take 20% off the price this week with coupon code 'FBRAVE20' as my thank-you for tuning in!

Visit my Career Help page, or click the links below for more information and to register today and save 20%:

– Jumpstart Your Career Success (3 sessions)

– Career & Leadership Breakthrough program (6 sessions)

– Build Your Confidence, Success and Impact (10 sessions)

And visit Kathy's FREE digital career and leadership coaching tool for on-the-spot guidance and answers 24/7 to your pressing questions >> Kathy Caprino AI

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GOT A BURNING CAREER OR PROFESSIONAL GROWTH QUESTION? Ask me on Hubble

I'm thrilled to join the Hubble Expert Advisory group, a space for thoughtful conversations and honest advice on life, work, business and career challenges.

I often hear from people worldwide seeking guidance on careers, leadership, personal growth, and making a bigger impact. Now, connecting and answering your questions is easier than ever—Hubble lets you book a one-off call or recurring sessions with me.

Book some time with me here on Hubble - I'd love to support your top goals:

https://app.hubble.social/kathycaprino

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Order Kathy's book The Most Powerful You today!

In Australia and New Zealand, click here to order, elsewhere outside North America, click here, and in the UK, click here.

If you enjoy the book, we'd so appreciate your giving the book a positive rating and review on Amazon! And check out Kathy's digital companion course The Most Powerful You, to help you close the 7 most damaging power gaps in the most effective way possible.

Kathy's Power Gaps Survey, Support To Build Your LinkedIn Profile To Great Success & Other Free Resources

Kathy's TEDx Talk, Time To Brave Up & Free Career Path Self-Assessment

Kathy's Amazing Career Project video training course & 6 Dominant Action Styles Quiz

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Sponsor Highlight

I'm thrilled that both Audible.com and Amazon Music are sponsors of Finding Brave! Take advantage of their great special offers and free trials today!

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Quotes:

"At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what business you're in, we're all kind of selling the same thing — trust, expertise and an end result." — Alan Stern [0:05:06]

"When you sell, you break rapport, but when you educate, you build it." — Alan Stern [0:08:28]

"Problems cause situations and the situations are what actually create opportunities for us to sell." — Alan Stern [0:17:00]

"[AI] gives us a great opportunity as business owners to stop manually executing everything and leverage technology to do it." Alan Stern [0:26:40]

"Now, you can overlap the sales department, the marketing department, and the graphic design department, all by leveraging a little bit of tech." — Alan Stern [0:30:13]

"I'm not saying use Chat for everything and copy and paste. What I'm saying is, use it for the framework. Use that H.E.A.T. format and then put your spin on it."— Alan Stern [0:35:44]

Watch our Finding Brave episodes on YouTube!

Don't forget – you can experience each Finding Brave episode in both audio and video formats! Check out new and recent episodes on my YouTube channel at YouTube.com/kathycaprino. And please leave us a comment and a thumbs up if you like the show!

What if the very traits you've been told to soften, like being collaborative or agreeable, are actually essential to your success, not obstacles to it? In this episode of Finding Brave, we explore why so many professionals, especially women, feel trapped between being liked and being respected, and what it really takes to be both.

In this episode, Kathy Caprino speaks with Alison Fragale, an organizational psychologist, professor at the University of North Carolina Kenan-Flagler Business School, and bestselling author of Likeable Badass: How Women Get the Success They Deserve. Drawing on her extensive research on status, power, negotiation, and influence, Alison helps individuals understand how respect is formed and how it can be intentionally built without compromising your authenticity.

In our conversation, Alison breaks down the two core dimensions that shape how others evaluate and perceive us: warmth and competence. She explains how our behaviors signal, or fail to signal, competence, how feedback like "you're too nice" is often misunderstood, and why pulling back on warmth is rarely the right answer. Through powerful examples from her research, consulting career, and personal experience, she reveals how small behavioral shifts can dramatically change how others perceive your authority and credibility.

This episode offers practical, science-backed insight for anyone navigating leadership, visibility, or influence at work. If you have ever felt misunderstood or unsure of how to show up fully and effectively while being your true self, this conversation will give you a new lens and and transformative ways forward.

Key Highlights From This Episode:

• Introducing Alison Fragale and her research on status, power, and influence. [01:00]
• Lessons from Alison's early consulting career at McKinsey and how career dissatisfaction can drive self-awareness and meaningful change. [04:44]
• The science behind status, why respect matters, and the "likeable badass" framework. [12:51]
• Understanding the two key ways people evaluate others: warmth and competence. [14:35]
• How gender bias shapes status and perception in the workplace. [17:26]
• Ways that feedback like "you're too nice" often miss the point, what it's actually communicating, and how to signal capability without sacrificing warmth or authenticity. [21:28]
• Why asking for advice, not feedback, leads to clearer insight and stronger allies. [25:37]
• Alison's personal story about self-deprecation and learning from direct feedback. [28:07]
• Unpacking key distinctions between power and status, and their effects. [33:32]
• Final takeaway: How talking up others builds status and influence, and is one of the most rewarding, fruitful and joyful things we can do. [37:50]

For More Information:

Alison Fragale

Alison Fragale on LinkedIn

Alison Fragale on YouTube

Alison Fragale on Instagram

Links Mentioned in Today's Episode:

Alison's book, Likeable Badass: How Women Get the Success They Deserve

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READY FOR A HUGE SHIFT TO ACHIEVE MORE SUCCESS, IMPACT AND FULFILLMENT IN YOUR CAREER?

Work with Kathy and get hands-on, transformative CAREER & LEADERSHIP GROWTH COACHING SUPPORT today!

Join me today in one of my top-requested career and leadership growth 1:1 coaching programs and take 20% off the price this week with coupon code 'FBRAVE20 as my thank-you for tuning in!

Visit my Career Help page, or click the links below for more information and to register today and save 20%:

– Jumpstart Your Career Success (3 sessions)

– Career & Leadership Breakthrough program (6 sessions)

– Build Your Confidence, Success and Impact (10 sessions)

———————

GOT A BURNING CAREER OR PROFESSIONAL GROWTH QUESTION? Ask me on Hubble

I'm thrilled to be an Advisor on the terrific Hubble Expert Advisory group, a curated and knowledge-packed platform for thoughtful and helpful conversations and honest advice on life, work, startup and business growth and navigating professional, career and leadership challenges.

I often hear from people worldwide seeking guidance on careers, leadership, executive, and personal growth, and making a bigger impact. Now, connecting with you and answering your questions is easier than ever—Hubble lets you book a one-off call or recurring sessions with me in just seconds.

Book some time with me here on Hubble - I'd love to support your top goals: https://app.hubble.social/kathycaprino

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Order Kathy's book The Most Powerful You today!

In Australia and New Zealand, click here to order, elsewhere outside North America, click here, and in the UK, click here.

If you enjoy the book, we'd so appreciate your giving the book a positive rating and review on Amazon! And check out Kathy's digital companion course The Most Powerful You, to help you close the 7 most damaging power gaps in the most effective way possible.

Kathy's Power Gaps Survey, Support To Build Your LinkedIn Profile To Great Success & Other Free Resources

Kathy's TEDx Talk, Time To Brave Up & Free Career Path Self-Assessment

Kathy's Amazing Career Project video training course & 6 Dominant Action Styles Quiz

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Sponsor Highlight

I'm thrilled that both Audible.com and Amazon Music are sponsors of Finding Brave! Take advantage of their great special offers and free trials today!

Audible Offer

Amazon Music Offer

Inspiring Quotes from Today's Show:

"The best job in life is one that you love, and the second best job is one that you hate, because when you are unhappy in your work situation, it will motivate you, like nothing else, to really understand yourself – and figure out how [to improve your situation]." — Alison Fragale [0:05:48]

"When we talk about a person being a "high-status' individual, we're saying people highly regard them. And what that means is: your status is an opinion in other people's minds. But it turns out to be a really important opinion for our own happiness and for our career success." — Alison Fragale [0:13:11]

"The two things we pay attention to are: do you care, and are you capable?" — Alison Fragale [0:14:49]

"When a man and a woman walk into a situation, if everything else about them is equal, there's a very high likelihood that the audience is going to immediately give more status to the man than the woman." — Alison Fragale [0:20:06]

"I'm not going to pull back on being nice, but I am going to show you that I know what I'm doing. You can rely on me. I'm results-oriented, I'm capable." — Alison Fragale [0:22:35]

"Smiling is a warm behavior, apologizing is a warm behavior, giving somebody a compliment is a warm behavior, putting yourself down is actually a warm behavior, because it shows you're humble. But some of these behaviors are better than others at showing how capable you are." — Alison Fragale [0:24:10]

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