The light will win is the theme of today's National Day of Mourning to honour the victims of the Bondi terrorist attack. In this edition of The Conversation Hour we meet an artist for whom the theme has special resonance. Joel Adler is the artist behind a behind a sculptural Hanukkiah titled 'Sunnukiah' being used as a temporary memorial at Bondi and he joined the program to discuss the meaning and significance of the piece. We are also joined later in the program by Lynda Ben-Menashe, president of the National Council of Jewish Women Australia who shared her reflections on the day and the notion of mitzvah.

Also in this edition we talk why Gen X might need a rebrand, hear what it is to fly The Roulettes and get all the latest from the tennis.