41% of people who make over $200k per year still cry about money. That’s the finding of a recent study that Paul discusses this week with Joe Saul-Sehy, Creator and co-host of the Stacking Benjamins podcast AND author of Stacked: Your Super-Serious Guide to Modern Money Management. These two handsome bald fellas also chat about:

The double life Joe was living as a young financial planner

How he hit bottom when his car ran out of gas

What you want in—and how much you should pay for—wealth management

Whether or not you should manage your own money

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