On this episode of the Levelheads Podcast, Mike, Jamie, and Zane sit down with the man brave enough to manage job sites and Zane — the legendary Fred Trainer of F.E. Trainer Construction.

What begins as a conversation about building a powerhouse construction company quickly turns into a masterclass in leadership, growth, and why scaling too fast feels like fighting an orangutan with a broadsword once a year. Fred breaks down how he went from a two-man crew to a fifty-person operation, while Mike questions all his life choices, Jamie keeps stirring things up, and Zane quietly prays he still has a job when it’s over.

It’s insightful, it’s unfiltered, and it’s way funnier than a construction podcast has any right to be.

If you want real talk about growth wrapped in pure chaos, this episode is for you.