In honor of their quirky conversation with brilliant English writer Stuart Turton — of THE DEVIL AND THE DARK WATER — Kate and Kathryn share a list they’ve been building during quarantine about behaviors depicted in movies and on TV that NEVER happen in real life. 

You can’t have a government that represents the people when the people don’t vote for them.” A little taste of the incisive insight from guest Stephanie Young, the managing director for culture, communications and media for When We All Vote. Want to vote but don’t know if you should do it early, by mail, or in person? Ready to make a difference but don’t know where to start? Stephanie breaks it all down. Tune in and vote: this episode is for you.

Kate and Kathryn breakdown a line from writer Susan Sontag — “Impossible to feel sincere while having one’s photograph taken” — and how it applies to the current world we find ourselves in. 

The low-fat 90s, the high-protein aughts ... ever wonder when scientists would finally discover what foods best fuel the human body? Kate and Kathryn sit down — in person, from 10 West Edge in downtown Charleston! — with the New York Times bestselling author of FIBER FUELED, Dr. Will Bulsiewicz, to breakdown his sexy research on what foods will make our bodies go vroom vroom. 

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A conversation that includes “cosmic nihilism” has always gotten someplace good, and Kate & Kathryn go there and dive deep with Vikram Paralkar, author of NIGHT THEATER and oncologist at the University of Pennsylvania, whose novel imagines the afterlife as a bureaucracy and touches upon themes of morality and “mattering.”

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Kate and Kathryn discuss the concept of food tethering the soul to the body, and how far away some of us have gotten from that idea, then they are joined by the inimitable Kristen Kish, author of Kristen Kish Cooking and Top Chef, who talks about the small lessons that stick with her and, most importantly, her fierce backward hat game. 

Kate and Kathryn bring on producer Lindsay Collins to talk about her sketch comedy creation, an espresso-guzzling zebra — a conversation in keeping with the flavor of the show’s main guest, Jean Kyoung Frazier, author of the book PIZZA GIRL, which includes one of Kathryn’s favorite snippets of dialogue ever written and has inspired her pizza-topping game. 

Kathryn and Kate deconstruct the #challengeaccepted campaign on Instagram, why they didn’t do it, and what “women supporting women” in action looks like — it looks exactly like what the WNBA has done this season, which is why K&K are joined by WNBA all-star Layshia Clarendon for an inside look at social justice in action and the league’s #sayhername campaign. 

Before chatting with debut — and New York Times bestselling! — novelist Megha Majumdar, Kate and Kathryn discuss a fascinating new quirk in one of their dogs (will any listeners relate?) as well as the brand-new women’s soccer league franchise in Los Angeles. 

Kathryn and Kate discuss their thoughts on ... making a baby! ... (should they? Is it the right time?) all in honor of their guest, Latham Thomas, doula, founder of Mama Glow, and author of Own Your Glow.