About 20 years ago, Joey Santore went from illegally riding freight trains across the country to working as a “train man” for Union Pacific. His official duties, which included driving the trains, gave him a unique look at the decline of the East Bay’s industrial sector and blue collar workforce. Spending time in decaying factories and train yards also sparked his interest in nature, as he saw plants and animals returning to repopulate these post-industrial spaces.

Eventually Joey finally got fed up with his corporate railroad bosses and quit working on trains in order to focus full-time on nature. His wildly successful podcast and video series Crime Pays, but Botany Doesn’t now attracts legions of fans from all over the world who tune in to hear Joey share his vast knowledge of plants along with a healthy dose of socio-political analysis thrown into the mix.

Although Joey no longer lives in West Oakland, he returned for a visit recently to check on “the illegal garden” he left behind. While he was in town, we caught up on everything from his craziest memories of the train years to his observations about the Bay Area’s many fascinating ecosystems. Don’t forget to follow the East Bay Yesterday Substack for updates on events, boat tours, exhibits, and other local history news: https://substack.com/@eastbayyesterday

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