In another discussion recorded at the Infection Prevention Society Conference in Bournemouth (UK), Martin and Brett chatted to Dr Annette Jeanes and Prof Jean-Yves Maillard. Annette formerly was the Director of IPC at University College London Hospital NHS Trust, and now works independently. We discuss her time working in the film industry during COVID, and how the varied skillset of an IP practitioner is transferable into what you might think of a completely alien setting. Following that discussion, we discuss the topic of environmental dry surface biofilms with Prof Jean-Yves Maillard from the School of Pharmacy and Pharmaceutical Sciences at Cardiff University in Wales. Jean-Yves is an experienced researcher in this field and presented the Tina Bradley Memorial lecture at the conference on this topic.