Most food brands don’t win because of branding.They win because of systems.In this episode, Mike chats with Brian Tate, Founder and CEO of Oats Overnight, the protein-packed, drinkable oatmeal brand that went from a poker side project to a scaled, vertically integrated food business selling DTC and in major retailers like Walmart and Wegmans.Brian shares how his background as a professional poker player shaped the way he thinks about risk, iteration, and decision-making. He breaks down why Oats Overnight chose to vertically integrate manufacturing from day one, how owning production unlocked faster product innovation, and why DTC data became the engine behind retail expansion. The conversation also dives into growth marketing, subscription economics, manufacturing scale, and the hard tradeoffs of building an asset-heavy consumer business.You’ll learn:✅ How a pro poker mindset translates to building a consumer brand✅ Why Brian chose vertical integration instead of co-manufacturers✅ How Oats Overnight scaled DTC with subscriptions and creative testing✅ Why iteration is a core operating principle, not a buzzword✅ How DTC data informs product development and retail strategy✅ The real economics of owning manufacturing facilities✅ When raising venture capital makes sense for asset-heavy CPG✅ Why retail and DTC work better together than most founders think✅ How Brian thinks about risk, process, and long-term profitability👉 If you’re building a food or beverage brand—or curious how data, manufacturing, and systems actually drive scale—this episode is a deep, honest look behind the scenes of a modern CPG business. Timestamps00:00 Intro01:00 From Magic: The Gathering to Pro Poker03:00 When Poker Became a Real Career05:00 Walking Away After Reaching the Top07:00 The Idea Behind Oats Overnight09:00 Early Scrappy Days & Vertical Integration12:00 Learning Manufacturing the Hard Way15:00 Why Iteration Became a Core Value18:00 Scaling DTC with Subscriptions21:00 What Makes Oats Overnight Work Online24:00 Using Data to Test and Improve SKUs27:00 Moving From DTC to Retail30:00 The Walmart Buyer Story33:00 Designing a Retail-Friendly Product Format36:00 Managing Channel Conflict39:00 Expanding Manufacturing Facilities42:00 Why Asset-Heavy CPG Is Back45:00 Venture Capital, Profitability & Payback Periods48:00 High-Risk Experiments That Failed (and Why They Still Mattered)51:00 Growth Marketing Without Brand Guidelines54:00 The Long-Term Vision for Oats Overnight56:00 Book Recommendations & Closing Thoughts📬 Subscribe for more founder stories & scaling insights:👉 The Consumer VC Newsletter – https://www.theconsumervc.com/Follow Mike Gelb:Twitter / IG / TikTok → @mikegelb / @consumervc