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For as long as they can remember, Saint and Jim have been enamored with stand-up comedy. Something about a fearless funny person standing in front of a brick wall — just them and a microphone, trying to make us all laugh — seems funny in and of itself. But when some humormonger is truly at the top of their craft, stand-up takes on the undeniable patina of art. On today's episode, your intrepid co-hosts chat with one such comic, the funny-for-a-living Kermet Apio. In doing so, a multitude of subjects are covered: the writing process, what touring is REALLY like, and how "cancel culture" has affected comedy among them (as a bonus, get ready for a crash course on Hawai'ian slack-key guitar!).