We discuss how ungoverning is the equivalent of a bull in a china shop. We have already seen the destruction of many institutions and many functions of the administrative state, but we don't yet know how much there is still to come.

Nancy's civic action toolkit recommendations are: 

1) Don't let unpredictability strip you of your agency

2) Vote in local, county, and state elections

Nancy Rosenblum is the Senator Joseph Clark Professor of Ethics in Politics and Government Emerita at Harvard University, and the co-author of Ungoverning: The Attack on the Administrative State and the Politics of Chaos.

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We discuss the long history of vigilante democracy in the US and its return in our current politics. The playing field is currently tilted in favor of these vigilante policies, but blue states can level the playing field by playing constitutional hardball. David reminds us that the American people have beat back movements to use vigilante power to enforce a reactionary agenda time and again.

David's civic action toolkit recommendations are: 

1) Get involved in local politics

2) Resistance works and there are a lot of opportunities to resist authoritarianism 

David Noll is the co-author of Vigilante Nation: How State-Sponsored Terror Threatens Our Democracy. He's also the Associate Dean for Faculty Research and Development and a professor of law at Rutgers Law School, as well as an academic fellow of the National Institute for Civil Justice.

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We discuss how out of date immigration laws are and why the only cure is comprehensive immigration reform from Congress. In the face of rising arrests and deportations by ICE, this is the perfect episode to remind us that we still need immigration reform.

Aaron's civic action toolkit recommendations are: 

1) Be welcoming and model inclusion in your communities

2) Contact your member of Congress and demand comprehensive immigration reform

Aaron Reichlin-Melnick is the Policy Director at the American Immigration Council, a non-profit organization that strives to strengthen the United States by shaping immigration policies and practices.

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We discuss how certain radical acts of justice by everyday people challenge the legitimacy of the criminal system and form the underpinning of a new collective legal thought, demosprudence. Collective understanding of justice and safety is changing away from the concept that justice equals cages. 

Jocelyn's civic action toolkit recommendations are:

1) Be a court watcher!

2) Learn about your city's or county's budget 

Jocelyn Simonson is Professor of Law at Brooklyn Law School, a former public defender, and the author of Radical Acts of Justice: How Ordinary People Are Dismantling Mass Incarceration. 

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We discuss deliberative polling as a way to assess the will of the people and then to make it consequential. This is what democracy is all about. 

James's civic action toolkit recommendations are: 

1) Question your own beliefs and assumptions

2) Learn to listen to people whom you would not normally talk to

James Fishkin is the Director of the Deliberative Democracy Lab at Stanford University and the author of Can Deliberation Cure the Ills of Democracy?

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We discuss the main goals of copaganda: narrowing our conception of safety and threat, constantly warning us that those harms are increasing, and telling us that the solution to our fears is more investment in the punishment bureaucracy.

Alec's civic action toolkit recommendations are: 

1) Educate yourself on how copaganda works

2) Read the Copaganda book in a group!

Alec Karakatsanis is the founder and executive director of Civil Rights Corps and author of Copaganda: How Police and the Media Manipulate Our News.

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We discuss how multisolving is a way to address the multiple issues that are currently facing our democracy at the same time, ranging from pollution and sustainable energy to civil rights and collective governance.

Elizabeth's civic action toolkit recommendations are: 

1) Learn about multisolving

2) Learn together in a group

Elizabeth Sawin is the Director of the Multisolving Institute and the author of Multisolving: Creating Systems Change in a Fractured World. 

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We discuss Inclusive Constitutionalism, a fresh way to interpret the Constitution that makes inclusive democracy real. By contrast, originalism interprets the meaning of the Constitution as fixed in time in the 1800s and ignores the constitutional amendments during reconstruction that were designed to foster a multiracial democracy.

Madiba's civic action toolkit recommendations are: 

1. Join or form a local union! 

2. Pay attention to state and local courts.

Madiba Dennie is Deputy Editor and Senior Contributor at the critical legal commentary outlet Balls and Strikes. Her debut book is The Originalism Trap: How Extremists Stole the Constitution and How We The People Can Take it Back.

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We discuss why the Constitution—the document we've been taught to revere as the very foundation of American democracy—might actually be responsible for the current crisis in government. It might be leading us away from a more perfect union and toward destruction or even secession. 

Erwin's civic action toolkit recommendations are: 

1. Be informed

2. Get involved

3. Speak out

Erwin Chemerinsky is the Dean of the UC Berkeley School of Law and one of the nation's leading constitutional scholars. His most recent book is No Democracy Lasts Forever: How the Constitution Threatens the United States, which urges us to think about starting over. 

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We discuss how the Supreme Court's lawlessness is fueled by the conservative grievance mindset where Republicans believe they are victims of laws they don't agree with. The Supreme Court has played an important role in enabling the current administration's actions. 

Leah's civic action toolkit recommendations are: 

1. Get educated on the Supreme Court!

2. Read Leah's book, Lawless: How the Supreme Court Runs on Conservative Grievance, Fringe Theories, and Bad Vibes

Leah Litman is co-host of the Strict Scrutiny podcast, professor of law at the University of Michigan and former Supreme Court clerk, and the author of Lawless: How the Supreme Court Runs on Conservative Grievance, Fringe Theories, and Bad Vibes.

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