What is the line between supporting student dreams and being brutally honest? Too far one way, counselors might be naive. Too far the other, and you get nicknamed, "The Dreamcrusher." Joel and Chris bring two amazing guests: Jennifer Glass from Lloyd Memorial High School (KY) and Michelle Rasich from Rowland Hall (UT). Our nearly 100 years combined experience tackles this very question.

Music on this episode comes from Normcore always (https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Normcore/Neighbors/Heartless_Man). And new to the podcast is "New Beginnings" by scottholmesmusic (https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/inspiring-background-music/new-beginnings)