The adoption of GitOps, improvements to APIs and the increasing reach of virtual machine language WebAssembly (Wasm) are influencing the developer experience, and ultimately, how DevOps teams reach their application-deployment and -management goals. These were among the more talked-about themes at Cloud Native Computing Foundation KubeCon + CloudNativeCon EU

Putting it all into context, Alex Williams, founder and publisher, and Joab Jackson, managing editor, of The New Stack, are the hosts of this The New Stack Makers podcast. The featured guests are Bryan Liles, principal engineer, VMware and Cheryl Hung, vice president of ecosystem, CNCF.