In an iconic episode, WWB chat to Caleb about his history as a musician and his massive achievements and how the album 'The Surface' (out Oct 13th 2023 via Red Bull Records) is a rebirth for him. He opens up about a dark moment that was a turning point for him.

TW: mention of eating disorders, depression and self harm

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