Author, activist, speaker, and podcast host Glennon Doyle (“We Can Do Hard Things”) joins Demi to reflect on gender performance, their individual journeys toward recovery, and what it means to trust your body. Their conversation was captured before Demi’s coming out as non-binary.

This episode contains content surrounding addiction and eating disorders, which may be triggering for some. If you or someone you know is struggling with addiction visit samhsa.gov for free information and support. For information and resources about eating disorders, call the NEDA Hotline at 1-800-931-2237.