In Episode #13, Ash and Matt talk about goals and setting goals. They share their personal experiences with goal setting and explore the differences between the traditional "SMART Goals" approach and the more "Open Goals" approach. They discuss the limitations of SMART goals and how they can lead to a rigid and all-or-nothing mentality. They highlight the importance of focusing on the process and enjoying the day-to-day journey rather than solely focusing on the end result. They provide insights into how goal setting can be tailored to individual preferences and personalities. They share personal examples of how they have implemented open goals in their own lives, both in sports and other areas. They also discuss the benefits of remaining flexible and adaptable in pursuing goals.