Grant Cameron, believes consciousness comes first when it comes to understanding UFOs/ETs.

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(movie clip) That’s Jim Carrey from the movie Bruce Almighty, talking about his problems with separation. It’s a topic we talk quite a bit about with today’s guest UFO researcher, Grant Cameron. 

Grant Cameron: [00:00:34] But we go back to the fact that there is just experience, that’s all there is. We’ve talked about the evil alien. So we say there are evil aliens, that’s the general impression and if you go and you do the FREE survey, you see that 84% of all experiencers say, if they were given the chance to have it stop, they would say, no. Only 9% say it’s evil and 9% is not zero, but it’s getting pretty close. There are no victims, there are just volunteers. It’s all experience.

Alex Tsakiris: [00:01:01] So I appreciate the distinctions you’re making. 

Grant Cameron: [00:01:05] Distinctions? I mean, you’re saying at some point we have to move to something else. So what are we moving towards? 

Alex Tsakiris: [00:01:10] Here’s the kicker and the important part for people who don’t believe, like so many of the academics, their humanist, materialist, atheist paradigm, and they don’t have to deal with any of this shit. But for people like you and I who acknowledge an extended consciousness realm, when somebody tells me, “Yeah, I’m abusing these kids and let me tell you this spirit being, this entity in the extended consciousness realm, and he is really into it too, and he is bringing all this power into the group and he is doing these physical things, and if I do this ritual in a certain way, it brings even more power into me. And that’s my download,” he says, “that’s my experience.”

 

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Alex Tsakiris: [00:02:00] Welcome to Skeptiko, where we explore controversial science and spirituality with leading researchers, thinkers, and their critics. I’m your host, Alex Tsakiris, and today we welcome back to Skeptiko Grant Cameron. Grant is without question one of the top UFO researchers in the world. He’s well known for his website, White House UFOs, where way back in the day he explored the connection between United States presidents and UFOs. But in more recent years, he’s been tracking down the connection between the UFO phenomenon and consciousness. Of course, a topic that we are so, so interested in on this show. 

Well, Grant is also, as many of you know, the author of several terrific books. I’m showing some of them up on the screen, and from what I understand, Grant even has a couple of other books in the works that are especially relevant to the topics we’re going to be talking about today. I’m sure we’ll hear more about that.

Grant, it’s so awesome to always talk to you. It’s just amazing the new information you bring forward and I’m looking forward to this one because you know, I kind of teed this up. I had an interview with Dolan a while back and you were a part of our discussion and I wanted to kind of thread this into an ongoing level three kind of discussion. So it’s really cool to have you here. 

Grant Cameron: [00:03:28] Well, it’s an honor to be on Alex because in the way that I have done consci...