Political scientist and author Hahrie Han joins Pastor Bryan to unpack her book Undivided: The Quest for Racial Solidarity in an American Church—a seven-year look inside Crossroads Church’s “Undivided” journey. We talk small groups over rows, why formation beats hot-takes, designing diverse tables, the real cost of ethnic unity, and how grace and vulnerability change people. Practical takeaways for pastors and group leaders.

Guest: Hahrie Han — Author of Undivided: The Quest for Racial Solidarity in an American Church; Professor of Political Science, Johns Hopkins University (pronounced “Hari,” rhymes with sorry).

Topics:

Why formation changes people more than headlines

The Undivided structure: 6-week small-group journey + “on-ramps” beyond the series

Designing intentionally diverse groups; facilitator training; practicing empathy

Culture lines: “We do hard things here,” “Belonging before belief”

Reaching the ready, reluctant, resistant—and why vulnerability is the hinge

Counting the cost: growth, loss, and staying in the struggle

Bryan on the gospel nucleus (grace, forgiveness, reconciliation, new identity)

Resources:

Undivided: The Quest for Racial Solidarity in an American Church — Hahrie Han

Undivided program (founded by Pastor Chuck Mingo)

Crossroads Church, Cincinnati

Takeaways for leaders: move people from rows to circles; train facilitators; mix groups by design; set expectations for risk; pair truth-telling with belonging; keep gospel identity at the center.