Hakki Akdeniz is more than a world championship pizza acrobat — he’s independent pizza’s most inspiring person. He came to the United States from Turkey with nothing but suitcases, and now has a slew of pizzerias and extraordinary dedication to his community. Ilir and Hakki sit down in our studio to talk about business and pizza but end up covering what it means to never give up.

Listen in to hear how many times Hakki had to hit restart before making it to where he stands now: happily helping others through independent pizza.