Drew Breasy breaks down defense attorney Matt Tucker's direct examination of Hannah Payne. Payne tells the jury how she got on scene, how she took direction from a "state officer" on scene, and how her belief in protecting the public took her down the road that ended with the shooting and killing 62-year-old Kenneth Herring.

Both Herring and Payne walked up to the line, but who crossed it? You might be surprised your favorite podcast partners don't see eye to eye.