In an episode where there is both nothing to say and plenty to say, the guys get on the therapy couch and talk through Saturday's embarrassing 31-0 loss in prime time. Brian and Zach discuss both the micro and macro from the loss to Penn State, including what it means to be a fan of Iowa football in 2023 and where to go from here. Please download and listen this week - while this episode is lighter on structure than usual, it includes plenty of emotion and goes deep on many aspects of modern Hawkeye football including the obviously recent lean years on offense, the inability to compete with the top teams in the B1G, and changes the guys hope to see. But, we all know what hope does for you as an Iowa fan these days . . .

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